34 syren Street 1903

[jan44]

Pammie,

I have sent you a private message.

Jan

[pammie]

thank you so much that makes it all make sense i'm pretty sure the theory is right now!

[jan44]

Just a thought,

We didn't find Ann on the 1901 census but I wonder if she married?

I found this marriage, which may be worth looking up, used a various name spelling.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1894
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CALDER Ann ROBERTS Richard Kirkdale, North Shore, St. Paul Liverpool 2016WD/2/226

I still haven't found a marriage between George Southern and Eliza anyone.

Jan

[Gray]

Morning

There's this one.

Eliza Colduck/George SUTHERN (Free BMD & Lancs BMD sp)
St Peter

L.pool Dec 1882 8b 286



Grayx

[Hilary]

That's the one at St Peter's Liverpool

Hilary
Ed Officer

[Tina]

To Gray, lovely to "see" you!!
Good find
Could this be Ann in 1901 50A Forth St Kirkdale (I'll leave Jan to do the geography )
Richard Roberts 23 dock labr, Ann 23, Ada 6 all bn Lpool
John 4 born Bootle, Winifred P (Pretoria)4mnths bn Lpl.
Aarrghh she died aged 1yr in sep qtr 1901.
You have to wonder if someone in the family had been to South Africa?



Tina

[jan44]

Great finds everyone,

Forth Street is not that far from Ceres Street ,My other half works in Forth St lol.

I found the family around 1911-14 ish living in Ceres street (as I found
George listed there in the 1911 directory) and it said he and Eliza had been married 28 years.

Jan

[MaryA]

thank you so much that makes it all make sense i'm pretty sure the theory is right now!

You have a huge amount of information there, but in genealogy you need to be aware that until you have the evidence in front of you, much of it may be only speculation even though based on a hunch.

I'm glad you are taking our Education Officer's advice and intend to go and confirm the marriages, and the cheapest way is by checking the parish register at the record office.

Let us know what you find.

[pammie]

Just a thought,

We didn't find Ann on the 1901 census but I wonder if she married?

I found this marriage, which may be worth looking up, used a various name spelling.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1894
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CALDER Ann ROBERTS Richard Kirkdale, North Shore, St. Paul Liverpool 2016WD/2/226

I still haven't found a marriage between George Southern and Eliza anyone.

Jan

that makes sense because that is the church elizabeth southern (my nan's mum) and my nan got married in and that is the name my nan thought it was. but does that make the others wrong? its very confusing lol

[jan44]

Hi Pammie,

I know it is very confusing, but "IF" we have the right family that have been found, and going by say in this case Ann's age, born about 1876, she would have had a different surname than Southern, because her mother had previously been married, and didn't marry George Southern until 1882.

As previously advised, I think the marriages would have to be looked up to try and sort out who was who, with regards to father's names etc.

Jan

[pammie]

so will all the information on the marrage be available in central library? is there someone working there that would be able to help me?

[Gray]

Hi Pammie & all,

Not sure if this is something or not? could not let it pass by.

There is a marriage Free Bmd not on Lancs Bmd

James COLDUCK
James COLDDUCK (same ref on both) L.pool june 1875 8b 264

to: Eliza McLachlin

Had a look at the original, it does look like COLDDUCK to me.. would appreciate someone with younger eyesight to have a look

Hope it is something.. best of luck!!!

Grayx

[jan44]

Hi Pammie,

The staff at the library are quite helpful, if you are going to look at the marriages for St Pauls North Shore, the ref you will need is

RefNo 283 SPK

Then you would need to look in the ref books to get the year of the marriage, it will also help if you also know what quarter the marriage took place, the staff there will explain how to do the rest.

Jan

[Hilary]

I would suggest you make a list of all the suggested marriages with their dates and if you can find them the quarters of registration - look on www.freebmd.org.uk

Then before you go to the Central Library ring and book yourself an electric film reader with printer. When you get there show the staff the list and they will help you get started with the first one. Find that and then repeat the process with the others.

Better still go on a Tuesay afternoon when our Liverpool group hold a help desk and they will help you.

Definitely make a list before you go.

Have fun

Hilary
Ed Officer

[pammie]

what time are they there till on a tuesday?

[jan44]

Pammie,

The help desk is run between 1.30 - 4pm on Tuesdays.

Jan

[MaryA]

And if you were to go on the second Tuesday of the month you could stay in town to do some shopping and then come along to the Society meeting in the evening at the Friend's Meeting House, School Lane (round the back of Primark) - 7.00 pm start or come a little earlier for a cuppa.

[jan44]

I have been to the RO today and I looked up the marriages as follows:-

Oct 1st 1894 St Paul North Shore.

Richard Roberts age 18 bachelor Mariner 20 Bianca Street, father John Roberts mariner.

ANN CALDER age 17 18 Eleanor Street father James Calder (deceased) Brass Finisher

Witnesses: Robert ? can't make his surname out and Isabella Baldwin

Marriage

24th December 1822 St Peter's Liverpool

George Suthern age 27 Carter Dryden Street father Thomas Suthern Carter

ELIZA COLDUCK age 27 Dryden Street father William McLauchlan labourer

Witnesses: Thomas and Ellen Blakemore

Jan

[pammie]

i'm not sure that can be elizabeths mum and dad as the date is too early elizabeth was born in 1884.

however i think the ann colder sounds about right and is in the right church too.

that leaves me back to the drawing board as far as elizabeths mum is concerned

[jan44]

Sorry Pammie,

That was a typing mistake on my part, it should be 1882 for the marriage.

Jan