John Scrope Colquitt

Post by **erika** » 11 Apr 2010 17:31

Reading about Colquitt Street makes me very nostalgic, I went to Catering College there in the 60's. A few years ago I went back for a trip down Memory Lane and the college was in the process of demolition, making way for University accommodation I believe

Still the rest of this thread is very interesting and makes good reading

Cheers
Erika

Post by **daggers** » 11 Apr 2010 18:45

There is no Colquitt family member listed in a Liverpool directory of 1870, which may mean they had either died out or moved away. There was a family with the same name in the USA which crops up in Google - I don't know yet if they were linked, but I am sure that the Liverpool lot had trade links with the southern states.
More to follow, I hope, when I have been to the central library, which is closed tomorrow.
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Post by **daggers** » 14 Apr 2010 16:46

Andrew
The Liverpool Record Office has a book published in 1892 - "Bygone Lancashire" edited by Ernest Axon of Manchester. It was a limited run and this was No. 1 of the run, so not many are likely to be around.

There is a chapter on "The Colquitt Family of Liverpool" which traced their history back to Cornwall in 1620 and covers their arrival in Liverpool where several held important posts such as Collectors of Customs, attorneys, clergymen etc.
John Scrope Colquitt and his brother Samuel Martin Colquitt were at Macclesfield Grammar School before going to Rugby, but little more is added to what has been shown here already about JSC, though there is more detail on the Admiral and others of the family.

There were several Colquitt wills proved at Chester which will now be at the Lancashire RO in Preston, but none for JSC or the Admiral. The National Archives Documents Online has a number of Colquitt wills, downloadable online for £3.50 payable by card, including one of 1812 for John 'Serope' Colquitt - of the 1st Guards, almost 100% likely to be the man we are interested in.

The 'Bygone Lancs' book is very fragile and almost crumbling to the touch, so photocopying was not allowed, but I did take digi photos of the relevant pages, not of the highest quality. I can probably email them if you send me a p.m. with your address.

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Post by **daggers** » 14 Apr 2010 16:56

I forgot to say in my last post that the Colquitt chapter in 'Bygone Lancashire' ends with the statement that the family's link with Liverpool ceased with the death of a Miss Susan Colquitt, who had endowed Christ Church, built in 1870. This must be Christ Church, Kensington, still standing, though not in Anglican hands.
FreeBMD appears to show that she had died before it was completed - in 1867.

Post by **daggers** » 14 Apr 2010 17:25

There's more:
a Martin family history website reveals a link with the family of 'Colquitt-Craven of Brockhampton Park, Gloucestershire", with this as part of the entry:
"1. John Scrope [Colquitt], Lieutenant Colonel, Grenadier Guards, b. 1775, educ Macclesfield, Rugby, m. Jane Ann, eldest dau of Thomas Lewin of Cloghans, High Sheriff of Co. Mayo, and his wife Elizabeth, dau of Harrison Ross-Lewin. See LEWIN formerly of CLOGHANS – Burke’s Landed Gentry of Ireland 1958 Edition and the monumental inscription in the British Embassy Chapel, Madrid (until its destruction on 18 Jun 1944, there was also a memorial in the Guards’ Chapel in London). He was badly wounded at Barossa on 5 Mar 1811 and d. 5 Sep 1812 in Seville of fever after ‘great exertions and gallantry’ on 27 Aug 1812 at the capture of the bridge at Triana during the battle for Seville and she d. 22 Jul 1848 having had issue:

a. Ernest Augustus, of Irvine Street, Liverpool, bapt 20 Jul 1810 at St. Mary, Marylebone, d. 16 Oct 1881.

a. Georgina Mary, of 4 Lansdowne Terrace and later of 3 Suffolk Place, Cheltenham, b. in Derby, bapt 26 Sep 1800 at St. George’s, Castle Street, Liverpool, d. unmarried 31 Aug 1879 at 3 Suffolk Place.

2. Samuel Martin, Rear Admiral, R.N., b. 31 Mar 1775, bapt 30 Apr 1775 at St. George’s, Castle Street, Liverpool, educ Macclesfield, Rugby, appointed Lieutenant on 15 Feb 1796, Commander from 29 Apr 1802, Captain from 21 Oct 1810, served in H.M.S. Arethusa at the capture of the Spanish frigate La Pomone off Havana Harbour, Cuba on 23 Aug 1806. His first wife d. 3 Nov 1823 and he m. 2ndly 27 Dec 1843 at Cheltenham, Frances Rachael, dau of Rev James Wiggett, Vicar of Crudwell, Wiltshire and his wife Frances (née Mackerell). See CHUTE, Baronet of THE VYNE – Burke’s Peerage 1956 Edition. He d. 10 Jul 1847 at Bishopstoke, Hampshire.

1. Bridget, bapt 1779 at St. George’s, Castle Street, Liverpool, m. 22 Oct 1804 in Liverpool, Thomas John Parke, bapt 29 Dec 1767 at St. Nicholas, Liverpool, eldest son of Thomas Parke, merchant, of Highfield House, Lancashire and his wife Anne, dau of William Preston and brother of James Parke, 1st Baron Wensleydale, and d.s.p. 23 Oct 1860 at 4 Lansdowne Terrace, Cheltenham."

I think this last, Bridget, was a sister of JSC and SMC.
The Guards Chapel was bombed at some time, but it might be worth an enquiry there.
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Post by **daggers** » 19 Apr 2010 09:57

Replying to my own post, to say that I have heard directly from Andrew Martin. He did better than I did, as the Record Office sent him a copy of the pages in the fragile book. He is now trying to find any current descendants of the Liverpool Colquitts. Any suggestions?
I think they reappear later in the 19th century as 'Colquitt-Craven' in Gloucestershire, but will pass on anything I find.
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Post by **Tina** » 19 Apr 2010 10:44

Fulwar J is listed in Anc##
born about 1850 died 1890 Northleach Glouc
as Colquitt-Craven, listed twice also as Fulwar John C. Craven
The rest of them listed are far more recent and assorted counties.

Tina

Post by **MaryA** » 19 Apr 2010 11:36

In the 1841 census Bridget Parke, age 60 and Samuel Colquitt, also age 60, occupation Navy, both born out of County, are living in Lansdown Terrace, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire.
HO107; Piece 353; Book: 11; Civil Parish: Cheltenham; County: Gloucestershire; Enumeration District: 29; Folio: 27; Page: 13; Line: 15

Unfortunately this doesn't give us any clues as to whether there are descendants. I wonder if she returned to Liverpool before she died? There is a death for Bridget Parke Q2 1859 West Derby 8b 231

She's still in Lansdowne Terrace in 1851, age 72, householder born Liverpool and with her is niece Georgina M Colquitt, 52, with Pension, born Derby.
HO107; Piece: 1973; Folio: 999; Page: 8

Post by **MaryA** » 19 Apr 2010 12:32

Are the Cravens worth following?

I'll give details from the 1881 census and see what thoughts you have.

Brockhampton Park, Sevenhampton, Gloucestershire
Geo C C Craven Esqr. Head Widr 65 J.P. D.L. Farmer empl. 18 men 10 boys Berks Windsor
Fulwar J son Mar 31 J.P. Farmer's Son Wilts Crudwell
Sarah L daur in law Mar 28 Glamorgan, Swansea
Lewis F grandson 7 Scholar Gloucestershire Brockhampton
Geo L grandson 6 Scholar Glamorgan, Bridgend
Arabel granddaur 4 Gloucestershire Upper Slaughter
Hilda C granddaur 3 " "
plus many servants
RG11; Piece: 2561; Folio: 25; Page: 7 & 8

Post by **daggers** » 19 Apr 2010 15:37

That is them, or should it be they?
They left Gloucestershire in about 1900, but with the number of offspring there should be some of them, somewhere.

It certainly helps to have unusual names, like FULWAR, but what happens at school to boys like that?
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Post by **Tina** » 20 Apr 2010 00:15

Hi Daggers
Could have been worse, imagine Sebastian (especially in Scottie Rd)

Tina

Post by **MaryA** » 20 Apr 2010 12:04

OK then, let's give them a try, maybe we'll come across them in the 1901 census, if not we'll call on some help for later years.

1891 The Rectory Graffham, Sussex
Lewis Craven S 17 Pupil born Gloucestershire Rockhampton
RG12; Piece: 847; Folio 55; Page 6

The two births for the girls are (mainly to confirm their names)
Arabelle Laura Craven Q2 1876 and Hilda Charlotte Craven Q2 1877 both Stow-on-the- Wold district.

Lewis, as we would have guessed is, Lewis Fulwar JC Craven, born Q4 1873, Northleach district.

Arabel Laura Craven married Hopkin Llewellyn Prichard, Land Agent, of 9 Margaret Street on 23rd April, 1902 at All Saints, St Marylebone. Lewis F Craven and E A Dillinger? witnessed. Her residence at the time of marriage was Merthyr Maur, Bridgend. Father's name written as Fuller Craven (deceased) who had been Captain in the Army.

Hilda Charlotte Craven married either Henry James Gibson or Robert Picton-Warlow, Q3 1901, Westminster 1a 1206 (no image for this one). The other bride on the page is Ethel Margaret Fordham.

Post by **MaryA** » 20 Apr 2010 12:30

The 1901 census is a bit ambiguous.

Living in Merthyr Mawr, Glamorganshire is a family
William Hopkin Head M 47 Mason (Journeyman) Glam. St Brides Major
Elizabeth M Wife M 41 Glos. Cromhall
Annie daur S 13 Glam St Brides Major
John B son 10 " "
Eveline M daur 7 " Merthyr Mawr
Gwynne Son 4 " "
Eustacia V daur " "

Next door in Merthyr Mawr Cottage is
Ella Craven Niece S 24 Living on own means Glos, Lower Slaughter
Hilda C Niece S 23 " " "
Elizabeth Jones servant S 23 Cook (domestic) Carmarthen Llanfair
RG13; Piece: 5049; Folio: 66; Page: 2

I wouldn't be sure that they were the nieces of the Hopkins or the nieces of the absent head of the household.

Perhaps need to find the marriage of William Hopkin and Elizabeth M to see if she is in fact related to the girls.

Post by **daggers** » 20 Apr 2010 12:44

Thanks, Mary. I shall alert Anthony Martin to the latest postings. He tells me he is going to try and track current descendants of the hyphenated family, so every little helps.
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Post by **MaryA** » 20 Apr 2010 13:28

About 1910-1912 living in Brecknock
Robert Picton Warlow 36,
Hilda Charlotte Picton Warlow 33,
Wilfred Picton Warlow 26,
Fulwar John Craven Picton Warlow 8,
Wallace Robert Temple Picton Warlow 6,
Joan Prudence Warlow.

Post by **MaryA** » 20 Apr 2010 13:47

Am sending you a pm now.

Post by **daggers** » 20 Apr 2010 14:37

Thanks, again, Mary. I have it.
D

Post by **Andrew Martin** » 25 Apr 2010 19:51

Dear All,
Thanks for all your help with John Scrope Colquitt. I have been in touch with Richard Dalgish and he has very kindly sent me a copy of John Scrope Colquitt's will. I have sent him a copy of an exlibris(bookplate) designed for John Scrope Colquitt by Yates Sculp of Liverpool. He apparently studied at cambridge before joining the army and was a book lover anbd had a large collection of books. I really do think it would be fascinating for the city of Liverpool to find out more about this Liverpool man who was given a hero's burial here in Seville in 1812.

Post by **MaryA** » 26 Apr 2010 12:07

I hope you also manage to make contact with a descendant - I know you have some details now - who will also be interested in your memorial. Good luck with it.

Post by **Andrew Martin** » 26 Apr 2010 12:14

I have been in touch with the family and am awaiting a reply. Hopefully they may be able to offer more information on John Scrope Colquitt or the Colquitt family.