Haskayne, Downholland, Halsall

Post by **jillstatton** » 16 Jul 2009 01:54

Can anyone please help? I am confused regarding the address of my ancestors in the Parish of Halsall - CULSHAW, SMITH, PILKINGTON, HOLME - whose living descendants always state Downholland as their place of abode.

However, my examination of the Census Enumeration Districts suggest that they actually lived at Haskayne, in Rosemary Lane.

Can anyone please explain exactly where both Downholland and Haskayne started and ended in 19th Century.

Jill Statton, Adelaide, South Australia

Post by **northmeols** » 16 Jul 2009 03:00

both are in the parish of Halsall. going south from halsall you reach Haskayne in about a mile nd then about a mile further south is Downholland

if you google map for Halsall lancashire you will see what I mean

Post by **jillstatton** » 16 Jul 2009 16:41

Having already examined maps, I am fully aware of where Haskayne and Downholland are but wanted specifically where each township started and ended - that is the street boundaries - in 19th century and later, if altered. Would appreciate some local knowledge. Thank you.

Post by **Hilary** » 16 Jul 2009 19:22

I have looked at my map of the townships of Lancashire 1835. The townships that make up the parish of Halsall are Halsall Downholland Lydiate and Melling.

Haskayne was a hamlet within the township of Downholland.

I have looked at my DVD of the 1st edition 6 inch to the mile OS maps of the 1840s and again they only show the township boundaries not hamlets within townships.

The only other thing I could suggest would be to look at the enumerators description and see if one uses the whole of the hamlet of Haskayne as a description and gives road names.

Ed Officer

PS Just realised you gave a name. I suppose the address at the time would have been

Rosemary Lane
Haskayne Hamlet
Downholland
Halsall Parish

Post by **northmeols** » 16 Jul 2009 19:55

as one having many ancestor from halsall, haskayne and specifically Downholland I can tell you with almost certainty that over 60% of thiss parish was farms....the main rd that runs from Halsall SE through Haskayne and Down Holland would have been the only one with significant numbers of houses, they were clustered around the village green and cross roads going E & W. they still are that way. the villages were small and had a manor house a couple of shops, the church and a few houses the rest of the land between villages was farms.

check these old maps
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/IndexMapPage2.aspx

Post by **Hilary** » 16 Jul 2009 20:58

I completely agree with the previous post. My ancestors are from Halsall and I live just over the border from that parish. It was and still is very rural.

The old maps web site suggested leads you to the maps I looked at but I have them on DVD.

Ed Officer

Post by **jillstatton** » 17 Jul 2009 03:42

Thanks everyone. I visited Rosemary Lane, Downholland briefly some 5 years ago and saw that some scattered dwellings were along this road amidst the fields, houses which had probably been there since the 19th century at least. The Census supports this.

From the Census enumerators' descriptions (below) and looking at various maps for the periods, I have deduced that Downholland is bounded by Broad and Formby Lanes, Green's and Eager Lanes, and Mairscough Lane. Can anyone please confirm this?

1851 Census - District 2a - part of township of Downholland which lies in South of boundary of the town of Halsall as far as the Canal Swing Bridge in Downholland along the boundary direct from town of Aughton to town of Formby including hamlets of Barton and Haskayne and part of Downholland Moss, so much of the said hamlet of Haskayne as lies south of the lane leading from the Ship Inn to Blundell's house forming part of the district of St Thomas' church, Lydiate.

Similarly, 1841 Census - District 3 - part of township of Downholland.

1861 Census - District 3b - part of Downholland commencing at the point where the SE boundary of town of Halsall adjoins town of Downholland thence in a straight line to the Canal Swing Bridge from thence to Moss Lane and along Moss Lane to the boundary of Formby including hamlets of Barton and Haskayne and that part of Downholland which lies on the Northerly side of the said lane and roads. In summary, it is the part of the district from the lane which leads from the Ship Inn to Blundell's house in Haskayne in the Ecclesiastical district of St Thomas church, Lydiate.

1871 Census - District 3 - part of Downholland commencing ... [as above] ... on Northerly side of said line and roads of Canal from the boundary of Halsall near to Mr Cave's House to the Swing Bridge Downholland.

1881 Census - District 3 - Downholland, commencing ... [as above] ... and the Canal from the Boundary of Halsall near to Mr Eave's house to the Swing Bridge.

1891 Census - District 4 - Downholland, boundary being on the North by Halsall District 2, on East by Halsall District 3 and Aughton, on South by District 5, on West by Formby. Commencing where Southern boundary of Halsall District 2 adjoins Downholland in hamlet of Barton; from thence along the Highway including Sephton's house and Fazakerley's house to the hamlet of Haskayne; from thence to part of town at point where SE boundary of Halsall District 3 adjoins Downholland; from thence along Rosemary Lane over Ship Bridge to the end of Riding Lane including all the houses at Haskayne Bridge; from thence along Riding Lane to the boundary of Formby including all the houses at the Railway station; from thence along Barton Village to the Blue Bell Inn which comprises all the houses in District 4.

Notes - for town abovementioned, please read township. I also realise that the above covers only the section in which my people were resident and that Downholland probably stretches further than described here.

Hope this explains and helps anyone with an interest in the area.

Post by **graleystives** » 05 Apr 2010 20:25

Do you have any information as to where on Rosemary Lane they lived? I know several people who live on Rosemary Lane and they may have some information if they are living in a house where your relatives lived. (For example I had some land transfer deeds that named a relative of a man living in Los Angeles whose GG Grandad had previously lived here. ) I also understand that a local historian currently lives on Rosemary Lane.

Post by **jillstatton** » 06 Apr 2010 01:57

My great-granny was Margaret BOLTON fmly CULSHAW nee PILKINGTON (born 1861) who grew cut-flowers for the markets. I am not entirely certain which house she lived in on Rosemary Lane but thought it was on RHS en route to the church. I was told some time ago (2004) that the property was still owned by the BOLTON family.

I would very much like to correspond with the historian living in Rosemary Lane - do we have a name?

Any news of the BOLTON boys would also be most welcome.

Post by **Pegasus** » 06 Apr 2010 02:31

Thought I would add what I found to Help padd out the details a bit to Help in Your Search:

Dec Qtr 1895 (from FreeBDM & LancashireBDM)

Margaret CULSHAW married William BOLTON in Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne in Liverpool (FreeBDM ref: Liverpool 8b 184. Lanc'sBDM ref: Liverpool : 2053LP/82/398)

Mar Qtr 1881

James CULSHAW married Margaret PILKINGTON in St Cuthberts, Halsall on 26th January 1881
(freeBDM ref: Ormskirk 8b 916. Lanc'sBDM ref: Ormskirk : CE9/1/287)

Post by **Pegasus** » 06 Apr 2010 02:50

Also:

Mary CULSHAW Bn C1886. Christened: 26th December 1886 in Halsall, Lanc's

Parents: James & Margaret CULSHAW

Lanc'sBDM ref: Ormskirk : HAL/7/65

Harry & James(Twins?) BOLTON Bn Mar Qtr 1896 (ref: Ormskirk 8b 795)

Thomas BOLTON Bn September Qtr 1897 (ref: Ormskirk 8b 832)

Edward BOLTON Bn Mar Qtr 1900 (ref: Ormskirk 8b 881)

Post by **Pegasus** » 06 Apr 2010 03:20

Using the 1901 Census, I noted the Following:

From RG13/3531, ED 5, Folios46 to 47a Pages 3 to 6

Cross Bridge-8 properties on Broad Lane-Broad Lane Farm-Delf Lane-Owens Farm-4 Properties on Rosemary Lane-Ship Inn.

Margaret BOLTON (Widow) & Children were living in the 2nd house/cottage befor the Ship Inn & living between these were James PILKINGTON & Family.

Taking a look at Your Maps it should be easier now to work out there respective positions re the Boundery Lines!

Post by **jillstatton** » 06 Apr 2010 03:58

Thank you Pegasus. I had this info but it still does not really explain which side of Rosemary Lane, which does stretch for some considerable way - nor the actual boundaries of the hamlet of Haskayne.

Does anyone know what Assessment Books are available for 19th and 20th Centuries? They might be called something different in Lancashire but District Councils generally have a set of books used to determine and record the payment of Rates and which should list the tenant as well as the landowner.

Post by **Hilary** » 06 Apr 2010 17:16

The tithe map for Downholland - there is no separate one for haskayne would show the boundaries of the township. However the tithe map and schedule are lodged at Lancashire Record Office so you would need to employ someone to look at this for you BUT it would not show boundaries of Haskayne as the hamlet was included in Downholland.

The 1910 valuation Survey books which may include Haskayne as a separate entity are at the National Archives and again you would need to employ someone to look through them - a long job.

I do not know if there are any other rate books. If they have been saved they are likely to be at Lancashire Record Office.

Hilary
Ed Officer