CULLODEN

[JuneMarie]

Hi Tina,

William and Wives! HAHAHAHAHA! Can you imagine my amazement when he turned up in Everton with what could be Wife No.4. My Gt.
Grandad never intended to be alone. LOL And complete with a four year old at the age of 61 allegedly, he should be 52 by all accounts.

You are such an angel for doing all that looking up, I really do appreciate that Margaret Culloden's mum was Margaret Culloden, nee Coffey,
I was hoping to find children born to Margaret and Sydney Gillman, but can find no trace of them after their marriage.

There are two Williams on the 1851 census, the older one of 9 is uncle to this William. At least I think so. I think he moved to West Derby also and is the Whitesmith.

My biggest hurdle has been finding Patrick's birthplace, I have found his marriage in 1822 but no parents are shown it being so early. And it doesn't help that his wife was born at sea.

I think I will go and have a lie down!

Cheers,

June

[Tina]

And take a couple of Aspros June!!
I'm worn out 'cos I've been diving, rowing, swimming, weight lifting, cheering on the Brits too!!
The older kids in 1881 have me baffled. I cannot find anyfink for them earlier or later. Their surname must be diffo, perhaps Wm's step kids??
familysearch have a lot of Cullodens born in Bengal India.
British Colonies could be anywhere.
Did you see 60 yr old Uncle John Culloden in census born also in Colonies?
I asked about young Margt as she was born before Wm married Mgt Coffey.
Please could you list Uncle Wm's details to save me going cross-eyed!!
Is he the one bn Macclesfield 1849 to Edward? Or have I the two Wm's mixed up??
Whichever Wm is the son of Edwd, their mother was also born in British Colonies.
No wonder you need a lie down.
Thanks
Tina
ps we need to find the beggars in 1891.

[JuneMarie]

Surprising what a cup of tea will do - I am raring to go again.
I was up at five o'clock this morning and walking around looking for one of my cats who had gone AWOL for 2 nights. No sign. I came in, made a cuppa and he appeared....this cat has nine lives, he was shot five times four years ago, and now has an injured leg, so it the Vets this afternoon.

Butttt, back to genealogy. The William I am chasing up is the son of Edward and Mary,(nee Watson, aged 2 on the 1851 census of Macclesfield. No sign on the 1861 that I can see. He is there on the 1871 with my Gt.Grandmother MAry Ann, the following year they had Ellen, my Grandma, Mary Ann died that year.
I think you are quite right that the three older children on the 1981 census are in fact William's step children, and yes, if ONLY I could find them on the 1891. They have ALL given me the slip. I am wondering if they went to Ireland, just a guess, as apparently William then marries Bridget Tierney, in 1885, but in Manchester. Later, and I think it is himself, he married Margaret Coffey, in 1899, must be him as he is the Picture Frame Maker throughout.

Yeah, John Culloden also born British Colonies. Could be Ireland, as I have found a John Culloden, also a Weaver, previously, in the House of Correction nearby in Knutsford Cheshire. I believe they could be incarcerated for merely dipleasing the managers, but again, can find no trace of any lisitings of prisoners.

Thanks Tina, hope you have recovered now after your exhausting marathon. Gt. Britain are doing well, very encouraging.

[JuneMarie]

I meant to say, I also found a John Culloden, born in Ireland, who would be around the same age as the one residing in Patrick's house in 1851. But William is described as being born Macc on one census and Ireland on another, it is def Macclesfield in his case.

[Tina]

Hi June
Pleased to read Mogs came home, perhaps he has Wm Culloden in his blood, scouting around for a new wife
Just joshing.
Okies for clarifying both Wm's.
I've been backtracking the Uncle.
I'm just kyaking in the rapids so will get back later!!
Tina

[Tina]

Hi again June
Have you seen in Free BMD sadly a death for an Edward in Macclesfield 1855?? No age of course.
Also in 1861 Mary, who was Patrick's wife is widowed. She was born at sea as you said.
Death Patrick 1857.
This is for myself and the peepers.
Was Edward bn Macclesfield 1854 the brother of Wm & son of Edward??

I'm sure this is Wm in 1861, 12 errand boy transcribed as Culliver
nephew of Michael Watson
Have a look & let me know what you think please.
Manchester (plot thickens!!) RG9 2691 f27 p44.
Tina

[JuneMarie]

I think YOU deserve a Gold Medal for this Tina. I mean it.

Edward who died 1855 was a baby. Yes, I have the death cert of Patrick, I visited some churches in Macclesfield hoping to find his burial place, one church records office was brilliant, they gave us tea and biscuits and access to their books, but he wasn't there sadly. I am still working on that.

Now I dunno about Edward born 1854, must check that out. Could well be.

I am on way to check out the 1861 in Manchester!

[JuneMarie]

WOW! That looks very likely to be him. Born in Macc. Absolutely brilliant Tina love, and thank you so very much for this.

You see, I checked out India as a possible birthplace for my Cullodens, I actually paid the British Library to do a search, this was years ago, but they could not establish a link with those born over there. I see Michael Watson was born in Ireland. I am going to try to find his marriage now, sometimes the witnesses give a lot away.

I can't thank you enough for all this. Really.

[Tina]

You're very welcome June and I still won the Gold Medal in the kayaking....in ya dreams Tina
Do you feel young Wm with Watson's could be an orphan by then?
Sad hey?
Maybe not.
You could have hit a nail on the head about Ireland being British Colonies in the light of Watson being born there also Uncle John which you have found.
This is one fascinating post!
Perhaps little Eddie died as a baby as you said.
Do you have any info on siblings for young Wm??
Thanks for lovely comments.
Tina

[Tina]

Hi again June
Michael Watson in census, his wife Elzbth bn IOM, they don't have any kiddies perhaps that's why they took young Michael in??
There's also Phoebe Watson mother bn 1786 Ire and an Aunt Catherine Benham 1786 Ire. Could be worth keeping a note of her. You never know!
There's a marriage in Ches BMD of Michael Watson to Elizabeth Lea
St Peter's Prestbury 1854.
Side tracking.
Tina

[JuneMarie]

You wish, eh Tina? That would be nice to have on your mantlepiece.

Well, I think I have found the marriage between Michael and Elizabeth, and if this Mary's brother, as I think it is, then this morning, and all thanks to you, I have gone back a generation. As Michael's mother is on the census. If I correct then Elizabeth is Elizabeth Lea, but all things indicate this is my William, as a lad, working as an errand boy. Bless.
To me, that looks like Culloden on the census, back transcription? Could be.

I never did check as to whether William had any siblings, that is another way to go, and also to check the deaths of both of his parents. I will try to find that next. Looks like a few certificates are needed now to establish all these new finds.

Thanks very sincerely Tina, you are a truly a star.

[Tina]

Not really a star June, just a wombat...
Good luck, gotta dash making a curry to make me run faster in the Track and Field next week
Tina

[JuneMarie]

I forgot to say Tina, that I found Michael Watson on the 1841 census in Manchester, with, amongst other siblings, a Mary, and their father was James, Silk Weaver, which tallies with Mary's marriage cert which I have.

[Tina]

Hi June
Have a look at this link. You can put surname in the search.
http://www.search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/index.php
Tina

[tierneylass]

Hi

I was just searching for info on my Tierneys and came accross this thread...its old so I don't know if anyone still interested in the research??

Michael and Bridget Tierney of Springfield St Old Swan were my 2xgreat grandparets as far as i can ascertain from all the Tierney information I have gathered so far, I have Bridget as a widow in 1881 census so this would fit? My Tierneys are in Hulme Manchester in 1901 and have had a bit of a task locating them in Liverpool but have managed to gleam a lot in recent weeks....please contact me i you are still interested

yours
Tierneylass

[tierneylass]

I forgot to add, Bridget Tierney was nee Fitzpatrick on the childrens birth certs

Tlass

[Tina]

Hi Tlass
Welcome aboard, good to know you found our forum.
Lots of reading to catch up on this post.
Thank you for getting in touch.
All the best
Tina

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

It's been quite a while since JuneMarie's first enquiry, but hopefully if she has the same email address the notification will alert her to your message.

Fingers crossed.

[JuneMarie]

Hi Tlass,

Interested? Most definately. How wonderful to hear from you and to know we have some association via my philandering Gt. Grandad, William.

I had stupidly 'lost' this site, and am so grateful to have found it again, I had put my Cullodens to one side and have been researching my dad's side, but this has restored my interest again.

Glad you found this thread and a warm welcome from me too, it is one of the friendliest places you could come to.

Interesting to learn of Briget's maiden name, thanks for that.

JuneMarie

[JuneMarie]

Hi Tina and Hi MaryA.

I just cannot believe how the time has flown, lovely to see you again and to be amongst friends.

Cheers from sunny but chilly Wales