1911 address query- Revised- Now looking for death!

[erika]

Hi All

I wonder if someone could tell me why an address I have in the 1911 census, Aubrey Street, has been listed in the enumerator's list as Spencer Street

Any help gratefully received

Cheers
Erika

[dickiesam]

Hello Erika,
Maybe it's that time of the evening but I don't fully understand your query.

Where did you get the Aubrey Street address from? A census document? If the 1911 enumerator has a family listed as residing in Spencer Street, then that is where they were on census night.

Perhaps you could post details of the head of family, age, etc so we can see for ourselves?
Dickiesam

[erika]

Dickiesam,

I have a family living at 118 Aubrey Street

Campbell Elsie Head Widow 55 b. Glasgow
Campbell Peter Son Single 20 Barman b. Coatbridge

and

Campbell Laura Head Married 6 27 b. Liverpool
Campbell William Son 5 b. Liverpool
Campbell Elsie Daughter 3 b. Liverpool
Campbell Laura Daughter 1 b. Liverpool

I have downloaded the image.

I looked at the emumerator's list, (as I do in the hope of finding other family) and they are on the list living at 118, but the street is Spencer Street. Bit confusing.

Cheers
Erika


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[Hilary]

I would submit your query to the 1911 census question team which you will find on the actual 1911 census site and ask them for clarification.

Hilary
Ed Officer

[dickiesam]

Hi Erika,
Contrary to my initial response, having had a look at the images, that extended family of Campbells, from Elsie down to the 1 year old child Laura, are all living at 118 Aubrey Street. The heads of household would not be permitted to enter any other address on the Census Form. This census was the first one to be completed by heads of households.

I'd say the error is to do with that list.

Dickiesam

[erika]

Dickiesam
When I downloaded my census image, along the top are all the pages you can look at.

If you send me a pm with your email address, I'll forward you the image, save me trying to explain

Cheers
Erika

[Tina]

Gores/Kellys Directory 1911 mostly recorded in 1910
Lochlan Campbell engineer
118 Aubrey St Everton

I hope this helps


Tina

[erika]

Hi Tina

Yes that's my man, although the name is spelt incorrectly.

However my next problem is finding when Lachlan died, which has been a brickwall for 20 years

On the 1911 census Elsie ( who's name is Isabella on all other documents)
says she was married for 32 years. Her and Lachlan were married in 1878 so he must have died around 1910.

I have searched and searched for this death to no avail and can't think where else to look.
His name is mis-spelt so often but I've looked at most alternatives, Laughlan, Lochlan etc.
He was born in Glasgow on 16 Feb 1855, so if anyone has any ideas, I'd be very grateful

This family only came to Liverpool sometime in the early 1900's as all the other documents I have are from Scotland where they were all born and bred.

Cheers
Erika

[Tina]

Hi Erika
Quick question about 1911
Elsie is listed as a widow?
It might seem a daft question but in one of my 1911 family records, the deceased children were listed at the bottom of the page along with hubby.
Thanks me dear

Tina

[erika]

Hi Erika
Quick question about 1911
Elsie is listed as a widow?
It might seem a daft question but in one of my 1911 family records, the deceased children were listed at the bottom of the page along with hubby.
Thanks me dear

Tina

Wish I'd had that luck Nothing to be seen on my census apart from son Peter.

Others have suggested he might have left her and she just put down herself as a widow!
Trouble is I can't even find a death in the future either, this is a complete mystery

Cheers
Erika

[Tina]

Sorry Erika about your luck in finding his nibs.
Should we look at shipping lists??
Keep ya chin up me dear

Tina

[erika]

Hi Tina

Maybe he decided to try his luck in Australia
I had looked at USA and Canada, but maybe Australia is worth a try, lots of ships sailed from Liverpool, so there could be a possibility he went.

I'll make a start and check through the web sites that are listed on here, to give me some ideas

Cheers
Erika

[Katie]

Is it possible that he died at sea ?

[erika]

Hi Katie

As I haven't been able to find a death in England or Scotland, I am just trying all avenues at the moment!

As others have said, maybe he left his wife and hadn't died at all, but I really don't know.
I don't know why his wife wrote widow on the 1911, (they had been married for 32 years Ahhhhh that's nice), and then one of his sons married in 1914 and under father's name it says deceased.
It's anyones guess what happened to him, but I just wish I knew

Cheers
Erika

[dickiesam]

I would submit your query to the 1911 census question team which you will find on the actual 1911 census site and ask them for clarification.

Hilary
Ed Officer

Problem solved. According to the 1911 site support team, the enumerator made a mistake and inadvertently wrote Spencer Street on the Summary List instead of Aubrey Street. Support say that all the names on the List shown as being in Spencer St are in fact in Aubrey St.

Dickiesam

[dickiesam]

Just wondering.. did he leave and remarry?
Marriages Mar 1908: Campbell, Loughlan - W.Derby - 8b - 317.

Dickiesam

[erika]

Hi Dickiesam

I checked this one out and I think this Loughlin was born in 1880 in Ireland.
He married Lillien Brennan in 1908 in Bootle I think ( Lancs BMD ).

Cheers
Erika




Have just printed off the form to send off to the record office for the marriage details, just in case

[Katie]

What I was thinking of is that he is recorded as being an Engineer. He could be a Marine Engineer which is why I suggested he may have died at sea. Might be worth looking in probate records to see if any wills are recorded. Also when did his wife die. There could be something on the headstone if she is in a private grave. Keep whittling away they always pop up

[erika]

Katie

He was an engineer in the iron trade, so not sure about marine side of things.
They seemed to have led quite ordinary lives in Scotland and I'm not sure that where the family ended up in Aubrey St, would warrant a will.

But I'm determined to find out something, this time last week I knew nothing about the family after 1901 Scotland Census. Only coming across Peter's death and hazarding a guess at Peter's marriage has got me to this point

Cheers
Erika

[dickiesam]

Re Lauchlan's occupation.. On the Scotland 1901 census he is shown as 'Engineer, Iron turner'. Doubt very much if he would be a ready convert to a sea-going role at abt 50 years of age in 1905. Did check though for Marine and Consular deaths but got no hits.

Dickiesam