Hi Collette,
Sorry, but there is no street number for John Tuttle in St.Thomas St, nor is there a number in Doncaster St for Elisabeth Thomas. I would be interested to read John Todd Tuttle's obit - how did you find it? I sure that it is John Henry's father, too much of coincedence with the name and occupation. I will be most grateful if you can find any more information on him. No wonder we couldn't find him in the UK. A friend in Sydney looked online at the lists of Physicians in the UK ( apparently there is a site you can look at) but she couldn't find him - now we know why.
Thankyou Mary A for the list of sites.
Regards - Denise
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Hi Denise the Obit is on this site///
http://mssa.library.yale.edu/obituary_r ... 869-70.pdf
keep scrolling down you will find it..
We can't be sure as yet...this is his father.. but he died in New York so must have moved there later in life..from New Haven..
Thing thats bugging me is why no kids between Margaret 1831 and Ida 1844..as i said maybe John Todd Tuttle came over to the UK..perhaps doing medical training..and maybe met a lady and she fell pregnant..if not theres another John Todd Tuttle outhere who was a Physician haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..
Lucky you have a good name to work with imagin if he was John Brown or Smith OMG..
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http://mssa.library.yale.edu/obituary_r ... 869-70.pdf
keep scrolling down you will find it..
We can't be sure as yet...this is his father.. but he died in New York so must have moved there later in life..from New Haven..
Thing thats bugging me is why no kids between Margaret 1831 and Ida 1844..as i said maybe John Todd Tuttle came over to the UK..perhaps doing medical training..and maybe met a lady and she fell pregnant..if not theres another John Todd Tuttle outhere who was a Physician haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..
Lucky you have a good name to work with imagin if he was John Brown or Smith OMG..
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Hi Denise
The Todd bit in John Todd Tuttle's name comes from his Great Grandmother..
His parents were Bethuel Tuttle born 1779 & Hannah Rebecca English.. Hannah Rebbeca's mother was Abigail Doolittle and her mother was Sarah Todd.. Abigail married Benjamin English...
Another interesting fact is Betheul Tuttle was partner to Marcus Merriman Sliversmiths..so they made a lot of silver in New Haven..
Think we need help with some passenger records to see if John Todd Tuttle ever left the USA.
I wish we could find John Henry & Elizabeth on the 1871 census..seems odd we cant find either of them..
And it still bothers me John Todd Tuttle and his wife Sarah have a big gap in their childrens birth years and it fits the 1840s.
I cant even see a death reg for John Henry Albert Tuttle its like hes vanished..
Can anyone else find his death reg..
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The Todd bit in John Todd Tuttle's name comes from his Great Grandmother..
His parents were Bethuel Tuttle born 1779 & Hannah Rebecca English.. Hannah Rebbeca's mother was Abigail Doolittle and her mother was Sarah Todd.. Abigail married Benjamin English...
Another interesting fact is Betheul Tuttle was partner to Marcus Merriman Sliversmiths..so they made a lot of silver in New Haven..
Think we need help with some passenger records to see if John Todd Tuttle ever left the USA.
I wish we could find John Henry & Elizabeth on the 1871 census..seems odd we cant find either of them..
And it still bothers me John Todd Tuttle and his wife Sarah have a big gap in their childrens birth years and it fits the 1840s.
I cant even see a death reg for John Henry Albert Tuttle its like hes vanished..
Can anyone else find his death reg..
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Hi Colette,
Re John Henry Tuttle - when his son Richard in 1889, John Henry was listed as a "Foreman"on the marriage certificate - this would indicate that he was still alive then, as I have had other marriage certs from the UK where a parent of the Bride or Groom were listed as deceased.
Although his father John Todd was deceased in 1870, maybe once his marriage split up he could have possibly gone to the USA to visit his father's family - if that was the case, would he show up on a census over there or possibly on a shipping record?
Is it possible to find out the date of Hannah English's birth and possibly her mother and grandmother and also where they were born - how would I go about finding out this information?
I found a "John Tuttle"born 10/9/1826 and Baptised 17/9/1826 in Cringleford, Norfolk UK - Father John - Mother Sarah - don't know if this is him though!
My niece has access to "Findmypast"and found on the 1871 census - Elizabeth A Tuttle (born 1863/64) - Richard Lloyd Tuttle's sister - she is 7 years old and living with David Thomas (her grandfather) - on the 1881 census she is still there - living as a boarder, but no mention of David Thomas - maybe by then he has passed away - as you said before - why is she living with her grandfather and not with John Henry or Elisabeth (Thomas) Tuttle after they split.
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Re John Henry Tuttle - when his son Richard in 1889, John Henry was listed as a "Foreman"on the marriage certificate - this would indicate that he was still alive then, as I have had other marriage certs from the UK where a parent of the Bride or Groom were listed as deceased.
Although his father John Todd was deceased in 1870, maybe once his marriage split up he could have possibly gone to the USA to visit his father's family - if that was the case, would he show up on a census over there or possibly on a shipping record?
Is it possible to find out the date of Hannah English's birth and possibly her mother and grandmother and also where they were born - how would I go about finding out this information?
I found a "John Tuttle"born 10/9/1826 and Baptised 17/9/1826 in Cringleford, Norfolk UK - Father John - Mother Sarah - don't know if this is him though!
My niece has access to "Findmypast"and found on the 1871 census - Elizabeth A Tuttle (born 1863/64) - Richard Lloyd Tuttle's sister - she is 7 years old and living with David Thomas (her grandfather) - on the 1881 census she is still there - living as a boarder, but no mention of David Thomas - maybe by then he has passed away - as you said before - why is she living with her grandfather and not with John Henry or Elisabeth (Thomas) Tuttle after they split.
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Hi Colette,
Just heard from my niece who has limited access to Ancestry.com and she has found an Entry in the New York Passenger Lists 1820-1957 for a Dr John T Tuttle - she doesn't have worldwide access, but I thought you would like to know that this supports your theory that he came over to the UK at some stage. She also suggested that there might be a record of him doing a course in the UK at a University.
Regards - Denise
Just heard from my niece who has limited access to Ancestry.com and she has found an Entry in the New York Passenger Lists 1820-1957 for a Dr John T Tuttle - she doesn't have worldwide access, but I thought you would like to know that this supports your theory that he came over to the UK at some stage. She also suggested that there might be a record of him doing a course in the UK at a University.
Regards - Denise
From our experience, because a father is not marked as deceased on a marriage certificate, it isn't certain that he is still living. We have often found that maybe the question might have been "what was/is the occupation of father". There have been definite instances where it was certain that the father was deceased but not stated.
On the Steamer Alaska 13 December 1869
Point of departure - Aspinwall, Panama
Dr John T Tuttle Age 47 Male Physician
The country to which they severally belong - United States
The country to which they intend to become inhabitants - United States
On the Steamer Alaska 13 December 1869
Point of departure - Aspinwall, Panama
Dr John T Tuttle Age 47 Male Physician
The country to which they severally belong - United States
The country to which they intend to become inhabitants - United States
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Hi that DR John T Tuttle sailing in 1869 would have been born in 1822..
So this must be another Dr Tuttle..
I have also seen on the Castle Garden Passenger lists to USA web site..DR TUTTLE sailing on the Tuetonic from Liverpool aged 43 Occ Physician... arriving 1st Sept 1892 USA doesnt give initials but makes this one born 1849..
I was thinking myself what if John Henry hadn't died..we have seen before ladies remarrying who were still married..
In 1901 Elizabeth A daughter of John Henry, her hubby Thomas Webb was a Foreman at Rubber Works..
You have mentioned a couple of times now that John Henry was also a Rubber Worker and a Foreman on Richards marriage..could be a connection there....
I think the 1871 is the key..as i cant find either John Henry or Elizabeth A on this census..and their 2 children are left with others..so were are they
So this must be another Dr Tuttle..
I have also seen on the Castle Garden Passenger lists to USA web site..DR TUTTLE sailing on the Tuetonic from Liverpool aged 43 Occ Physician... arriving 1st Sept 1892 USA doesnt give initials but makes this one born 1849..
I was thinking myself what if John Henry hadn't died..we have seen before ladies remarrying who were still married..
In 1901 Elizabeth A daughter of John Henry, her hubby Thomas Webb was a Foreman at Rubber Works..
You have mentioned a couple of times now that John Henry was also a Rubber Worker and a Foreman on Richards marriage..could be a connection there....
I think the 1871 is the key..as i cant find either John Henry or Elizabeth A on this census..and their 2 children are left with others..so were are they
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I think also we have to work out why Elizabeth A was in Hulme Manchester in 1879 when she marries John Perks...shes not there in 1881 shes back in Liverpool with John Perks and their son John Benjamin Perks..and poor little Richard has been left in Pendlebury Lancashire.. with the Gortons Thomas & Alice... cant see a connection to Elizabeth with this couple..So why would you leave your son there and come back without him....
Thinking that maybe John Henry and Elizabeth moved out that way..cant see her going on her own..could be they were lodging with the Gorton's and maybe John died and his death is registered in the Pendlebury area.. prob is the name TUTTLE theres a lot of Tootles out in Lancashire....
by 1891 Richard is with the INLAWS in Birkenhead..and his mother is in Liverpool..
Been trying to find more info on this John Perks..1881 says born Glossop 1891 says South Wales ?????
I think also we have to work out why Elizabeth A was in Hulme Manchester in 1879 when she marries John Perks...shes not there in 1881 shes back in Liverpool with John Perks and their son John Benjamin Perks..and poor little Richard has been left in Pendlebury Lancashire.. with the Gortons Thomas & Alice... cant see a connection to Elizabeth with this couple..So why would you leave your son there and come back without him....
Thinking that maybe John Henry and Elizabeth moved out that way..cant see her going on her own..could be they were lodging with the Gorton's and maybe John died and his death is registered in the Pendlebury area.. prob is the name TUTTLE theres a lot of Tootles out in Lancashire....
by 1891 Richard is with the INLAWS in Birkenhead..and his mother is in Liverpool..
Been trying to find more info on this John Perks..1881 says born Glossop 1891 says South Wales ?????
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John Todd Tuttle
Hi Mary A and Colette,
Many thanks for your reply.
I am inclined to think that the John Todd Tuttle that you found last week is the right one, as the name Todd appears as a surname from the great grandmother, and as his son John Henry married for the second time in 1863, so it would seem unlikely that the one born in 1822 would be the right one - what do you ladies think?
The Dr.John T Tuttle -Physician sailing on the steamer Älaska - was there any middle name listed or just the T.?
Could you please tell me if I am allowed to ask about a relative on another side of my family tree on the saming posting, or do I do a seperate one?
Many thanks and regard -
Denise xx
Many thanks for your reply.
I am inclined to think that the John Todd Tuttle that you found last week is the right one, as the name Todd appears as a surname from the great grandmother, and as his son John Henry married for the second time in 1863, so it would seem unlikely that the one born in 1822 would be the right one - what do you ladies think?
The Dr.John T Tuttle -Physician sailing on the steamer Älaska - was there any middle name listed or just the T.?
Could you please tell me if I am allowed to ask about a relative on another side of my family tree on the saming posting, or do I do a seperate one?
Many thanks and regard -
Denise xx
Asking about a separate family on the same posting will just confuse matters even further, and I'm confused enough by this one!
Two John T Tuttles, Physician, are too much of a coincidence, I feel that they have to be either one and the same person, or father and son ....
T was what was given, no middle name in full.
Two John T Tuttles, Physician, are too much of a coincidence, I feel that they have to be either one and the same person, or father and son ....
T was what was given, no middle name in full.
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Hi Denise
I saw a Rev DR Tuttle mentioned in old newspapers marrying people.. he was based in St James church New York... hes mentioned in a Dublin Newspaper..so this could be the DR Tuttle..a totaly different man..
Wondering who your John Henry married first before Elizabeth A Thomas..
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I saw a Rev DR Tuttle mentioned in old newspapers marrying people.. he was based in St James church New York... hes mentioned in a Dublin Newspaper..so this could be the DR Tuttle..a totaly different man..
Wondering who your John Henry married first before Elizabeth A Thomas..
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Hi Mary A and Colette,
You ladies must be getting sick of the name Tuttle!.
I agree with you Mary A, that the John Todd Tuttle's mentioned are probably one and the same.
In the 1871 Census there is a John Tootle listed with three children, on looking up the children listed, the first one Margaret A reads Tuttle not Tootle in the Birth/Deaths and Marriages, the second one Mary Ellen reads Tootell and the third one Richard reads Tuttle (Richard being my grandfather) so I have sent away today for Margaret A Tuttle's Birth certificate to see if this is the right John Henry Tuttle - if it is the right one, it will also show who John's first wife was and possibly where he was born.
I am keeping my finger's crossed!!
As to why Richard was dumped with a wet nurse - who knows! I obviously have a very strange family.
Regards - Denise
You ladies must be getting sick of the name Tuttle!.
I agree with you Mary A, that the John Todd Tuttle's mentioned are probably one and the same.
In the 1871 Census there is a John Tootle listed with three children, on looking up the children listed, the first one Margaret A reads Tuttle not Tootle in the Birth/Deaths and Marriages, the second one Mary Ellen reads Tootell and the third one Richard reads Tuttle (Richard being my grandfather) so I have sent away today for Margaret A Tuttle's Birth certificate to see if this is the right John Henry Tuttle - if it is the right one, it will also show who John's first wife was and possibly where he was born.
I am keeping my finger's crossed!!
As to why Richard was dumped with a wet nurse - who knows! I obviously have a very strange family.
Regards - Denise
I hope you stated the criteria of the father's name, then if it's incorrect they will only charge you half the price.
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Hi Denise
you only had to go back to 1861 to find this family
same address 46 Great George St Preston
John Tootal born Chorley
Wife Mary Ann born Preston b 1831
Marg Ann so looks like Mary Ann.
These are not your family.....so dont waste any money on them...
Your Richard was in Everton Liverpool in 1871 and his sister was with her Grandad...
We need to find who your John was married to first..it could be he was born in USA ...John Todd Tuttle's wife Sarah proberbly never knew anything about him..
John Todd Tuttle having money may have sent him over here to educate him and keep him out the way..to save a scandle..
There is a boy on the 1841 census in Argyle St Birkenhead..John Tuthill aged 13 born Ireland..hes a pupil of Mr Lewis De Paget a Proffesor of Maths....makes this John born c 1828..its only an option as i say..
Or as we said before John Todd Tuttle may have come over here..its such an unusual name.. that i think its the correct man and being a Physician was the icing on the cake...
If he was born in USA i doubt very much he will have Tuttle for his surname it will be whatever the mothers name was..
Another problem we have is we havent a clue of John's birth year.. we are assuming maybe about a similar time as Elizabeth A Thomas.. but we dont know he could have been a lot older than her..
I think the next thing you should get is Elizabeth A's marriage to John Perks.. 1879 to see what it says about her status....widow etc....
I'll go back and say what i said before WE NEED TO FIND ELIZABETH A ON THE 1871 CENSUS..................................she may have gone with John to America for all we know.. WHY are her kids left with people.. and she nor John are knowhere to be found...
Love a good Mystery xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
you only had to go back to 1861 to find this family
same address 46 Great George St Preston
John Tootal born Chorley
Wife Mary Ann born Preston b 1831
Marg Ann so looks like Mary Ann.
These are not your family.....so dont waste any money on them...
Your Richard was in Everton Liverpool in 1871 and his sister was with her Grandad...
We need to find who your John was married to first..it could be he was born in USA ...John Todd Tuttle's wife Sarah proberbly never knew anything about him..
John Todd Tuttle having money may have sent him over here to educate him and keep him out the way..to save a scandle..
There is a boy on the 1841 census in Argyle St Birkenhead..John Tuthill aged 13 born Ireland..hes a pupil of Mr Lewis De Paget a Proffesor of Maths....makes this John born c 1828..its only an option as i say..
Or as we said before John Todd Tuttle may have come over here..its such an unusual name.. that i think its the correct man and being a Physician was the icing on the cake...
If he was born in USA i doubt very much he will have Tuttle for his surname it will be whatever the mothers name was..
Another problem we have is we havent a clue of John's birth year.. we are assuming maybe about a similar time as Elizabeth A Thomas.. but we dont know he could have been a lot older than her..
I think the next thing you should get is Elizabeth A's marriage to John Perks.. 1879 to see what it says about her status....widow etc....
I'll go back and say what i said before WE NEED TO FIND ELIZABETH A ON THE 1871 CENSUS..................................she may have gone with John to America for all we know.. WHY are her kids left with people.. and she nor John are knowhere to be found...
Love a good Mystery xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Hi guys
I havent resubscribed to GenesReu....so can't contact this lady
John Tuttle 1845 Liverpool ?, England ................ Shelagh
Denise do you know this lady.. if not i would be interested in finding out what she knows.. about this John Tuttle...
I havent resubscribed to GenesReu....so can't contact this lady
John Tuttle 1845 Liverpool ?, England ................ Shelagh
Denise do you know this lady.. if not i would be interested in finding out what she knows.. about this John Tuttle...
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Hi Ladies,
In answer to your question Colette, no I don't know the lady in question.
I haven't been able to find Elizabeth Thomas anywhere. Does anyone have access to the American Census? if not my niece (who is away at the moment) will be able to check her public library access next week sometime. As you say both John and Elizabeth could have gone to the USA.
Regards - Denise
In answer to your question Colette, no I don't know the lady in question.
I haven't been able to find Elizabeth Thomas anywhere. Does anyone have access to the American Census? if not my niece (who is away at the moment) will be able to check her public library access next week sometime. As you say both John and Elizabeth could have gone to the USA.
Regards - Denise
Checked 1870 USA census with no success. Also checked 1860 census for John Todd Tuttle + variants +/- 5 years around 1822, occupation physician, with no success.
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Hi Mary he died January 1870 so wouldnt be on the census.
I think his wife Sarah died in 1867.. so she should be on the 1860 proberbly in New York as their daughter Ida married Lawrence Vorhees Cortleyou in New York 1865 she died just after..
Their son George William Tuttle married a Margaret in 1851 in New Haven and he died 1856.. they didnt have much of a life the poor kids did they.
Still worried about that big gap between kids....
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I think his wife Sarah died in 1867.. so she should be on the 1860 proberbly in New York as their daughter Ida married Lawrence Vorhees Cortleyou in New York 1865 she died just after..
Their son George William Tuttle married a Margaret in 1851 in New Haven and he died 1856.. they didnt have much of a life the poor kids did they.
Still worried about that big gap between kids....
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Hi Denise..
Gonna throw a spanner into the works now..
Heres the 1850 Census for the Tuttle's
New York Ward 7 District 2
Michael Flannagan age 47 MD
John T Tuttle age 48 MD born Connecticut (looks like John F Little)
George William Tuttle age 23 b Connec... looks like Machinist..
Charles Tuttle age 40 b Conne.. also looks like Machinist
JOHN TUTTLE AGE 17 BORN CONNECT..(could this be John ???????
Dr Rogers age 65 MD
Sarah Tuttle age 44 b Connect..
Ida Tuttle age 4 b New York
Margaret Tuttle age 24 b Scotland Windham Connecticut..
Charles is John Todd Tuttles half brother as their father Bethuel married twice..who is John.
Its something to go on anyway...
1860 Census New York Ward 7 District 4
John Tuttle age 58 b Connect..MD
Sarah Tuttle age 54 b Connect..
Ida Tuttle 19 b New York
I know in 1855 they lived at 216 East Broadway..
From this item click view full article and scroll down
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.h ... 838D649FDE
John could be Charles's son.. but then again its nice to actualy see a John with this family so its looking good.. if it is him i guess he would have married in New York ..lost his wife then came to the UK..
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Gonna throw a spanner into the works now..
Heres the 1850 Census for the Tuttle's
New York Ward 7 District 2
Michael Flannagan age 47 MD
John T Tuttle age 48 MD born Connecticut (looks like John F Little)
George William Tuttle age 23 b Connec... looks like Machinist..
Charles Tuttle age 40 b Conne.. also looks like Machinist
JOHN TUTTLE AGE 17 BORN CONNECT..(could this be John ???????
Dr Rogers age 65 MD
Sarah Tuttle age 44 b Connect..
Ida Tuttle age 4 b New York
Margaret Tuttle age 24 b Scotland Windham Connecticut..
Charles is John Todd Tuttles half brother as their father Bethuel married twice..who is John.
Its something to go on anyway...
1860 Census New York Ward 7 District 4
John Tuttle age 58 b Connect..MD
Sarah Tuttle age 54 b Connect..
Ida Tuttle 19 b New York
I know in 1855 they lived at 216 East Broadway..
From this item click view full article and scroll down
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.h ... 838D649FDE
John could be Charles's son.. but then again its nice to actualy see a John with this family so its looking good.. if it is him i guess he would have married in New York ..lost his wife then came to the UK..
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