Look up please - Marriage LRO - Robert MAINS

[col]

Seking SKP to look up marr in 1859 Sept qtr at Our Lady & St Nicks for Margaret JONES & Robert MAINS.

Thanks in anticipation
Col

[LindaS]

Hi Col
The LDS have the marriage on 12 Jul 1859 at St Nicks. It might help whoever is going to do a lookup.

[col]

Thanks LindaS
Col

[Hilary]

If you look on the post Visit Liverpool RO and will do some look ups you will see the details of the marriage you requested. I looked it up on Monday.

Hilary
Ed Officer

[Tina]

Hi Hilary
Col's not her usual self at the mo thanks to puppy Tyler

Tina

[Hilary]

Hi Tina

Different Col I think! The marriage request came from OZ!

Hilary
Ed Officer

[Tina]

Oops.....good job someone is on the ball....

Tina

[col]

Hi Hilary

Thanks for details & time given. Sorry late in replying - had an extra busy last couple of days!

Wondering if there'd be any more details on original church records or is that it

I'm still looking for some "hidden" clues to break down my brick wall.

Thanks
Col (from Oz)

[Tina]

Hi Col from Oz
E.O has listed everything that was on the marriage record.
Perhaps list "hidden" clues you are looking for.

Tina

[MaryA]

12 July 1859 St Nicholas

Robert X Mains full age widower labourer Hodson St father Smith Mains farmer
Margaret X Jones full age spinster Chadwick St father William Jones farmer

witnesses
James X Young
Anne X Young

That information was acquired from the original Parish Register, and there won't be any extra than that if you were to pay the GRO for a Certificate. You might like to read some hints on what is and what isn't available. http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=6937

You are lucky that the date of the marriage was after 1837, those before that date had names, status and if you were very lucky there might be a hint in where they lived - ie Liverpool, not usually a full address, and possibly but not always likely, the occupation.

Perhaps the witnesses might be worth investigating to see if they are connected in some way.

[Tina]

Hi
Have you got the couple in 1861 census at all?

Tks

Tina

[Hilary]

What I've given you was from the film of the original parish register - there was no more. If there had been I would have given you that as well.

Hilary
Ed Officer

PS What do you mean by hidden clues? The father's name is unusual so that could be a clue.

[Tina]

Hi E.O
We know that..
I for one appreciate what you do..thank you!
On behalf of Oz folks.

Tina

[Hilary]

Thanks Tina

Hilary
Ed Officer

From a very cold, snowy, icy Southport. I have 2 thermal vests on and a fleece, long johns and trousers and that's indoors and the heating is on! Just about to go out and gets some shopping. Don't know how to post photos (had to get Mary to do it before) or would post a photo of Southport in the snow!

[Tina]

Hi Hilary

Here's me, opened every door & window as the sea breeze has come in.....(4pm this arvo)
They call it the "Fremantle Doctor" it's a lifesaver...

I've seen some wonderful photos from UK, snow scenes, then some with ice on the pavement and frozen canals.
It looks beautiful...on a Christmas Card.
I'm sure you've all had a gutful of the white stuff by now.
Keep drinking your cocoa/bovril/scotch (neat)...

Tina

[Tina]

Hi E.O
I've had a play in Anc##, wondering if Smith Mains became a double- b surname later on? Not important at the mo.

Found only one in LDS Smith Mayne b1820 in Elphin, Connaught married Betsie Poustie 1845. Roberts brother perhaps? Keep to one side.

Not sure about this, will post anyway.

1861 census
No. 4 house, No. 1 court
Emma Ann St, Vauxhall dist

Robert Mains 40 dock labr
Margaret 25 both bn Ire
(age gap would right, do you think? as Robt had been married before)
James 9mnths bn Lpool.
LDS birth 24/6/1860
Bapt 3/9/1860 St Peters to Robt & Margt MANES.
(only one through the batch No.)

Tina

[Tina]

1871 as MARES

Courts in Raymond St, Scotland Div
Robert 48 dock porter, Margt 36, James 10, Robt 8, Ellen 1 week.

RG10/3760/69/31
sorry forgot to put ref for in1861

I sent a correction in, put the ball in their court explained about surname Mains etc, let them decide, Manes closer to original name than Mares.
Keep you posted

1881 James is 20 listed as marr his wife Margrett 40??
siblings with him.
Raymond St.
RG11/3597/91/4 ..........as Manes

[col]

Hi Hilary

Sorry, didn't realise your search was from original parish registers! TY.

THANKS one & all for all the look ups you've all been doing.

I have 1861 & 1871 for Rbt & Margaret. Also 1881 for Margaret & children living on own, and for Rbt in the Brownlow Workhouse.
1881 I think Margaret should read "mother" of James.

Also have son Rbt b1863 & family 1891, 1901 & widow Mary E 1911.
And son Wm b1874 & family 1911, but only his wife & children 1901.

No Rbt after 1881 61 yrs - can't find death record.

Smith Mayne b1820 (LDS) seems to be the only one I can find also. I have tried most of the weekend searching every possible site & every possible name configuration I can think of


The "hidden" clue I'm hoping to find is - anything however small that might prove or disprove that the "2" Robert Mains' I have are one & the same!

1.Rbt b1820c Ireland marr Mary J MARTIN 1843 Nbl. Father John-weaver

I have 1841(poss)& 1851, & from 1871 onwards for his wife(remarried ALLEN) & family in Nbl & Dur. Have marr cert, birth records etc for family.

So no Rbt after 1851.

2Rbt b1820/23 Ireland marr Margaret JONES 1859 Lanc. Father Smith Mains-farmer

I feel that there's a good chance that it is the same Rbt, but really need to prove it of course. I guess the research needs to be concentrated back in Ireland but haven't found anything there to help so far.The closest I get is a John Echlin MAYNE with wife Jane & children incl Rbt b1819 in Ballyhalbert, Down.

Anyone any suggestions

Ta
Col

Would like to back up Tina's words of appreciation. We in Oz really do appreciate so much all the help given to us down under from genealogists such as yourselves. Though the days of scrolling thru fiche after fiche are mostly gone with the internet taking over, we still value so much the assistance of fellow genealogists who will go out of their way to help & advise others.

[Hilary]

For future reference
Record Offices and Archives hold the original parish registers or film of the original registers. If you ask for a look up that is what people look at. Many of these original registers have been filmed by the LDS church and if you asked for a film of a parish registers at your LDS family history centre you would also see the film of the original register. On occasion what exists are the Bishop's Transcripts (these were a copy register sent to the bishop). If it is these that are filmed they say BT.

Transcripts such as www.familysearch.org do not put in all the information. Transcripts on www.lan-opc.org.uk do contain all the information.

Your Robert Mains
Personally I do not think the Robert Mains in Northumberland with a father John a weaver and the Robert Mains in Liverpool with a father Smith Mains farmer are the same person. If the father's names or occupations were the same I might think it could be but the names are so different as are the occupations that I don't think they are the same.

In my family I have a man who marries and then leaves and marries elsewhere his occupation, father's name and his occupation all remain the same.

Hilary
Ed Officer

[col]

Thanks for everything Hilary, looks like I'll have to put the thinking cap on again!

Col