Cold Case - Next thing to get your teeth into?

[MaryA]

Been there, done that, I'll lend you my t-shirt! Fresh eyes have found a lot but not her, the little brat, at 5 years old she shouldn't have let go of her mum's hand!

Thank you for sticking with it this far Simone, and Colette also. I just don't think she's going to turn up, do you ? I owe you a new pair of specs

[MaryA]

Simone, great suggestion

15 December 1845 St Peter's, Liverpool
William Hosker - full age - Widower - Labourer - Bolton Street -
Father Joseph Hosker - Miller
Jane Kent - full age - Widow - Bolton Street
Father Edward EVANS - Shoe Maker
Both made their mark X
Witnesses William Oakes and Mary Oakes - both signed their names

[simone]

Fab Mary

I notice an Edward Evans b c 1803 Abergele, living in Neston on each census. Trouble is he is a Blacksmith right occ fot Margarets dad, wrong name He does however have a daughter M.Ann Evans with him in Neston in 1851 also wrong age to be Jane's dad

will investigate more before I get too excited

Simone x

[simone]

Cheshire CPR has Jane Evans b at Neston 3/7/1801 to Edward Evans Shoemaker and Elizabeth

Also Deborah Evans b 26/08/1810 to Edward, Shoemaker, and Elizabeth.

Deborah witnessed the marriage of Jane to Thomas Kent in 1833

[simone]

Cheshire CPR-

Edward Evans, Cordwainer, m Elizabeth Gleaves 9/10/1798 at Neston.
Witnesses, John Hodgson and Henry Smith.

[simone]

1841 census

Elizabeth Evans at Pykes Yard, Great Neston
HO107 Piece:124 Book/Folio:6/8 Page:10


EVANS, Elizabeth F 68 1773 Market keeper
EVANS, Sarah F 23 1818 Fish Woman
EVANS, Edward M 3 1838


Sarah Evans b 13/10/1815 at Neston to Edward Evans, shoemaker and Elizabeth.

[simone]

can't get my head around that Edward Evans b Abergele. M.Ann is not with him in 1861.. There is a baptism on CPR 1844 Neston for a Mary Ann Evans to Edward and Elizabeth, but it says he is a Collier.

was wondering if he could be a brother of Jane's if Jane's mum and dad went to Abergele for some reason and had him there

prob all coincidence fancy just putting M.Ann, why not put the name is it because Margaret was too long to write or is she really Mary

Later- must be Mary Anne as her name, as baptism of Edward's son William says Blacksmith but Additional note says Ness Colliery. so must be why down as Collier at daughter's baptism
Ah well rules her out then


Simone x

[simone]

Here is Elizabeth Evans and daughter Sarah in 1851


HO107; Piece: 2173; Folio: 70; Page: 2;
Betty Evans 75 Pauper
Sarah Evans 30 dealer in Shellfish
Edward Evans 13 grandson
James Evans 8 grandaughter
Annie Evans 3 grandaughter
Sarah Evans 3 Mo grandaughter


something gotta turn up soon

sarah in 1861
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RG9; Piece: 2635; Folio: 87; Page: 5
Sarah Evans 44 fishmonger
Ann Evans 13
Sarah Evans 11

[MaryA]

Simone you are off on a run again!!!

The thing that gets me about all these families is that there are no LEGITIMATE fathers around.

ie Margaret Kent was mother to the children but sister to male Kent - where's the father of the children ?.....
Sarah Evans has a clutch of kids and no dad in sight ....

[simone]

Mary I think there must have been something in the water in Neston

[colette]

Hi Mary & Simone

I am starting to wonder if fathers name has been put down wrong...Thomas R Lunts dad was called Thomas.. what if vicar makes a mistake and puts Thomas down for Margaret too, he may have had a busy day..we all make mistakes.. my Great Grandads Brother Edward Joseph Pratt had Edward has his father on his marriage it should be Edwin..

Hubbys Great Great Grandad has fathers name right but his occ should be a Baker.. hes got a Painter written on his marriage cert.

Might be worth checking out different forenames..

xx

[MaryA]

I agree with either that or that she made up her dad's name altogether!

Trouble is online there isn't a birth or baptism that I could fit to her no matter who the father is, although I'm aware that there are many other areas in Cheshire whose baptisms aren't available to me unless I go and visit them.

If her mother had an illegitimate child she may have had her baptised in a different parish to save face - I'm quoting our Ed Off's words here, although it's in my mind also.

[simone]

yep good point Col

i am also wondering if Margaret may have got birth date slightly wrong and perhaps Thomas who died in 1843 is her dad, or maybe if Jane is her mum she may have fould herself pregnant to someone, and then married William Hosker and just told Margaret that her dad was Thomas and he died just before she was born. After all would Margaret really know the facts, would she bother to check

It's all very coincidental isn't it that her name is Kent, she is adamant about Neston and these Kents are in Neston, Jane who has been married to Thomas as well

aarrrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh

why isn't Thomas' occupation on his marriage!!!!

Simone x

[colette]

Hi all

Question is Thomas Kent born c 1803 died 1843 Neston who is he where did he come from, whos son is he..did Thomas & Ann have another Thomas.. after first one died as i dont see a bap for him, and hes dead by 1851 so no official birth place but Cheshire thats all we know..did he just drift into town looking for work ???

Thomas Kent & Ann Meadows
Kids

Thomas b 1797 died 1798

Maria b 1799
kids
William b 1825
Ann b 1828 died 1828

Elizabeth b 1805 we know nothing about her....

John b 1807 died

James b 1808 married Hannah she dies 1845
No kids as far as i can see...


Ann b 1809 we know nothing about her...

GAP HERE OF4 YEARS...have i missed a child..

Alice b 1814 we know nothing about her...

John b 1816 forgot who he married was it a Jane..
kids
Thomas 1841
James 1843
Hannah 1845

Margaret 1817
kids
John Kent 1854
Marries Henry Bickerstaff
Kids
Henry 1856
James 1859

Thats the lot of them..as i said before its the three sisters Elizabeth..Ann & Alice, maybe we should concentrate on them..as i dont see deaths for them as youngsters..

xx

[simone]

Grrrrrrrr trying to find Alice I have these ladies living at neston in 1851.

BASLEY, Alice 1817 34 F Wirral Cheshire
COLLEY, Alice 1807 44 F Wirral Cheshire
CROWDER, Alice 1811 40 F Wirral Cheshire
EVANS, Alice 1807 44 F Wirral Cheshire
MADDOX, Alice 1815 36 F Wirral Cheshire
RIMMER, Alice 1823 28 F Wirral Cheshire
TARBUCK, Alice 1823 28 F Wirral Cheshire
WITHERS, Alice 1818 33 F Wirral Cheshire
WOODWARD, Alice 1824 27 F Wirral Cheshire

I have managed to find a marriage for every one of them, none in name of Kent.

Only one I can't find is Alice Basley

1851 census
HO107 P2173 Folio: 55 Page: 7

BASLEY, Alice Head Married F 34 1817 Fish Woman Ness Cheshire
BASLEY, Mary Daughter F 9 1842 Scholar Little Neston Cheshire
BASLEY, Elizabeth Daughter F 6 1845 Scholar Little Neston Cheshire


wonder if she could be our Alice it's probably why I can't find a marriage

Simone x

[simone]

this could be her in 1841
at Little Neston

John Davies 30
Elizabeth Davies 25
Mary Davies 5
William Davies 2
Samuel Borsley 23 coal miner
Alice Lawley 24

so none of those ladies are our Alice then

Simone x

[MaryA]

Told you before - there aren't any men in marriages in Neston, there are only mothers with their children !!!

Do you think it's just one man going round impregnating all these women in turn? He's obviously having great fun

[colette]

Hiya

Its a real mystery this one.. what about national Burial Index or Buried in Cheshire ..if they died as babes there would burial records.. if they married in Neston there would be marriage records..so if they lived which is looking more likely they must have married out of the parish..

None of the other siblings are candidates as they are all accounted for.

Wondering why Margaret Ann called her son William.. why not Thomas after his dad and him..

xx

[MaryA]

Wondering why Margaret Ann called her son William.. why not Thomas after his dad and him..

I wondered whether it was in memory of Thomas's older brother who must have died as a child ....

Now I've never taken a great deal of interest in the NBI, mainly since there was a lack of Lancashire burials in it, does anybody who what coverage of Cheshire there is?

[simone]

Sorry getting lost in the thread

Do we know who John Kent is, baptised 18/01/1853, son of Margaret, residence Hinderton no father named

Is he son of Margaret, sister to John in 1851, who already has all those kids

What's going on, just who is fathering all the kids in Neston

Simone x