I am new to this site ...The family Name I am researching

[PatsyNorman]

I have been able to find from papers of my husband ...Brian Michael Norman born 1936 Liverpool ......brothers John Patrick Norman born 1931...and Dominic Francis born 1832 left Liverpool .....

John Patrick Norman born 1908-2000 ...... married once in Liverpool and later in Northumberland twice ...Only 3 son's to his first wife Eva Marion Mellish.....


Grandfather John Norman 1885 - 1968 buried aintree... apprentice stone Mason married Eliza Barrett lived one time at Wavertree

Great Grandfather Thomas Norman a baker married to Sarah Ann Smith .....born 1851 later said he was from Limerick Ireland in a census


Great Great Grandfather
John Norman 1821c and Bridget Norman are in 1861 Census

Children
Mary 1849 b Ireland.....................Married Patrick Keeley
Thomas a baker 1851 b Ireland................Married Sara A Smith
Edmond 1853 b Ireland.................Married a Mgt Horan or Horam
Teresa 1855 b Liverpool................Married Benjamin David Foster
Catherine 1859 b Liverpool............Married Thomas Cropper 1883
Anne 1862 b Liverpool ..................William Rice also a Baker

I would like to find the family of

James Norman Butcher Poulterer
married to a Mary Smith
Son's Thomas 1908
and Gerard 1910
1911 Census

supposed to have a large family....was the older brother of John Norman and the son of Thomas the Baker ....
John was an apprentice too Henshaws as a stone mason....

Thomas my husbands great grandfather stated he was from Limerick in one of the later ensus he married twice second wife was an Harriett Ellen Harris.....

Is anyone on here a Norman connection .....I can-not go any distance to look up in Liverpool as I have multiple health problems and I am in a wheelchair...

If there any connections would love to hear from them ...OH by the way they all seem to be RC's

Hope this is a bit better ...I can't reach my notes as my husband is not around....so have had to do it from memory.......

Places they seemed to live were Mill Street ...Hunter Street and Christian Street

[dickiesam]

Hello Patsynorman,
Could you go back and edit your post putting in some dates for us please? Always helps to have a time frame for an individual and some years of birth. If you have found related families in censuses, let us know what years and who (and where) they were.

Regarding

the family of James Norman married to a Mary Smith

... do you have a date and place for the marriage?
Good luck,
Dickiesam

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

I hope we will be able to help you, as Dickiesam has asked, it would be helpful if you would add some dates to the people you mention, although preferably not for any living people.

I think this is probably the marriage you are referring to
1906 James NORMAN to Mary SMITH West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended, so as you say, probably a RC marriage, do you already have the certificate? maybe you could let us have details if you think it would be helpful.

[Tina]

Hello Patsy
Nice to "meet" you.
You've come to the right forum for help.
All the best!!

1911 James is listed bn 1880, they were in W Dby.

1881 father Thos 30 baker bn Ire listed as son in law of Ellen Smith wid bn Ire 54 dressmaker, Sarah Ann 28 bn Lpl, James their only child.
They are in the courts in Hunter St, St Ann's Ward, Islington Dist.

Tina

[Tina]

1891 can't find them at the mo

1901 James is boarding Islington, 21 yrs poulterer/fish unmarried
There's also a Sarah Norman 20 unm servant in the same lodgings, perhaps his sister??
RG13/3423/96/45

There is a death in Lpool dec 1889 for a Sarah Ann Norman aged 38yrs.

Possibly another 6 births after 1911 in W Dby Norman/Smith combo.

Tina

[MaryA]

You may well have all information working backwards through the censuses, if not, then pinpoint which exactly you need help with and we'll do some look ups for you.

If it is the coming forward bit that you are more interested in, then we are often asked about this on the forum and I put together some suggestions here http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=8154 maybe these will be useful to you.

[Tina]

1901 for the peeps
31 Seldon St Kensington.

Patsy, you are doing so well working from a wheelchair!

Thomas is with new wife..(Marriage 1890)
Thomas 47 foreman baker bn Limerick
Harriet E 27 bn Lpool
m in law Kate Harris 46 wid bn Wolverhampton
son John 16 mason's apprentice.

1911 census as Harriett Ellen Norman
Thomas 60 in W dby.

Tina
1891 still has me stumped

[PatsyNorman]

1901 for the peeps
31 Seldon St Kensington.

Patsy, you are doing so well working from a wheelchair!

Thomas is with new wife..(Marriage 1890)
Thomas 47 foreman baker bn Limerick
Harriet E 27 bn Lpool
m in law Kate Harris 46 wid bn Wolverhampton
son John 16 mason's apprentice.

1911 census as Harriett Ellen Norman
Thomas 60 in W dby.

Tina
1891 still has me stumped

1891 Census
Elizabeth Harrison Head
Son in Law Thomas Norman 1856 Baker
Harriet Daughter Norman 1871
James Norman 1880 11yrs old
John Norman 1885 6 Yrs old
Address
39 Leopold Road West Derby

[MaryA]

RG12; Piece: 2990; Folio 126; Page 40

Don't think the children are Harriet's somehow

[Tina]

Thanks Patsy
I never looked for Thomas, looked for Harriet & kiddies which are listed as Harrison not Norman.

Will send an error report to Anc@
Did that, someone else has already done it today

Tina

[MaryA]

Might have been me

[Tina]

Okies Mary

Tina

[PatsyNorman]

RG12; Piece: 2990; Folio 126; Page 40

Don't think the children are Harriet's somehow

They are Sarah Noman nee Smith's sons ...I can't seem to find any to Harriet LOL

[MaryA]

No it wouldn't seem that she had any.

What is it you are looking for help with since you seem to have a lot of information about the family.

If if is that you are looking for present day connections, did you check the link I gave above, most of the suggestions can be looked into online.