Why is this family so hard to find???

[greann]

Hi All,
Thank you all very much for your help.
Jeanette "Simpson" "Harcourt" came to Canada after her brother. Funny that she tried to go to the States right away.
My father-in-law remembers seeing his father's sister only once........and get this..... she had a daughter!!!!!!! This would have been in the mid 1930's. He says his father and this "WOMEN" had an argument and they never saw her again. I wish I could find more about Evelyn's background
Maybe some day!!!
Thanks again,
Ann
Ontario,Canada

[colette]

Hi Carol

Hi if that was in the 1930's when Fath In Law saw her she was still alive and Beverly Rolf Simpson remarried in 1928 so are we looking at divorce here

Come on kids are there any Canadian divorce records online ?????

xx

[Tina]

Hi Col
Sure sounds like they divorced.
Here's a good link, Ann may be able to find out more.
Tina

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/gene ... 008-e.html

[Hilary]

But did she actually marry? She travelled to Canada as Simpson but single and the only information we have of a marriage is what was put in the Canadian paper but no marriage can be found in Liverpool.

If she did't marry no need for a divorce!

Just a thought

ed Officer

[colette]

Thats a thought..i havent see a marriage for them in Liverpool or anywhere for that matter..

Also Jeanette when she wasn't allowed entry into USA her occupation was a Musician
Then into Canada shes a Housewife..

Beverly Rolf Simpson may have got her pregnant in Liverpool and thats why he took her back to Canada..wonder did Carol's father in Law recall how old this daughter was....when he saw her mid 1930's.

Or did Jeanette ever marry in Canada ??

[Wendyem]

What's happening? going nuts here waiting for next installment.

[simone]

Wendy so are we

Think we are hoping Ann will come back and let us know how old the daughter was in the 1930's so we can try and track back from her

Simone x

[greann]

Hi all ,
Sorry I was away for the weekend....... For once a beautiful one and couldn't just stay home!!!!
Thanks again for all your replies.
My father-in-law was born in the early 30's and remembers this "child" being around the same age he was. I'm not going to give his real age as he is still "kicking" although not in the best of health. That's why I trying to get this all sorted out. It would mean a lot to him.
I am not able to check Canadian birth records as they are only up to 1909. I have checked ship records and I don't see "Janette" "Jane" going back to England at any point. David Gerard did on a few occasions.
I may never find out what happened to "Jeanette". What I would like to find is the earlier information on their mother and father.
Is there a way to find out who owned the house that they were living in, in 1911?
I also know that David Gerard had a habbit of calling people by their street name....eg Green Street he would call people Mr or Mrs Green. Strange habbit
By any chance would there have been a Harcourt Street in Liverpool? Just a thought.....,but could that have been where he came up with the Harcourt name?
I truley don't believe that Evelyn OR Jeanette married.
Ann

[greann]

Oh Sorry, the "daughter would have been around 5/6 years old.
Ann

[greann]

Hi Col
Sure sounds like they divorced.
Here's a good link, Ann may be able to find out more.
Tina

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/gene ... 008-e.html

Hello,
I did search for a divorce without success.
Ann

[simone]

Hi Ann

Yes there is a Harcourt Street in Liverpool, about 2 mile from Jubilee Drive, 4.7 mile from Devonshire Road, if you are driving a particular route, but shorter as the crow flies

Simone x

[greann]

Hi Ann

Yes there is a Harcourt Street in Liverpool, about 2 mile from Jubilee Drive, 4.7 mile from Devonshire Road, if you are driving a particular route, but shorter as the crow flies

Simone x

Thank you Simone,
I think I'll have a look at the 1911 census to see if anyone of interest lived on this street.
Ann

[greann]

Found nothing of interest for "Harcourt Street" 1911.
Ann

[colette]

Hi Ann

Going back to..
St. Thomas, Ontario, Canada
October through December 1928

10 November 1928
Married - Beverly Rolf Simpson, son of Dr Simpson to Fanny May 'Peggy' Loveday

If you could see the marriage would it say anything regards to Beverly's marital status not sure about Canadian records you see.

Also is there any way of tracing kids between these too..there maybe some still living..who might know about Jane alias Jeanette..

Thats another thing why has she changed her forname too. deffo something fishy going on dont you think

xx

[colette]

Hi Ann

wondering did you apply for Jane F Thompson's birth cert ???

xx

[colette]

Hi kids

just found this

Ontario Deaths 1869-1947 Family Search Pilot..

Name Simpson
Death 27th Aug 1919
Age Premature
Death Place Napanee Lennox Addlington Ontario
Birth Date 1919
Year Born 1919
Gender Female
Father Beverly Rolf Simpson
Mother Jeanette Francoise Thompson Harcourt

So that one baby, that didnt make it..and proof they lived together in Napanee.

xx

[MaryA]

Good piece of evidence with that death Col.

10 November 1928
Married - Beverly Rolf Simpson, son of Dr Simpson to Fanny May 'Peggy' Loveday

Although it gives Fanny May Loveday as a spinster, it says nothing about his status, except that he was of the City of Montreal and his parents were the late Thomas Walker Simpson and Emma Henrietta Milner his wife.

[greann]

Hi kids

just found this

Ontario Deaths 1869-1947 Family Search Pilot..

Name Simpson
Death 27th Aug 1919
Age Premature
Death Place Napanee Lennox Addlington Ontario
Birth Date 1919
Year Born 1919
Gender Female
Father Beverly Rolf Simpson
Mother Jeanette Francoise Thompson Harcourt

So that one baby, that didnt make it..and proof they lived together in Napanee.

xx

Hi Colette,
Many hugs to you.............
What a great find
Given the mother's name J.F. "Thompson Harcout" at least proves our theory correct that she was "Thompson" NOW I will send away for the birth records of Jane Frances Thompson.
Where did you find this record???? I don't live that far from Napanee and will definately have to go again to the records office.
Thanks so much,
Ann

[MaryA]

If you do go, have a look at other entries and see what the usual format is for them - is the mother's name given in full as if she was single, or was it written as her married name, nee maiden name?

It might give a clue as to whether they owned up to being unmarried or not.

PS Colette found the entry on the www.familysearch.org.uk Pilot Scheme

[greann]

Also,
I just wanted to say.........you have all been wonderful with your help. I really appreciate it
There was definately something fishy going on Colette.......just not sure what. I still don't think J F was actually married to B R Simpson.
As far as tracing other children............that's going to be difficult. Unless there was another child born in Napanee. I may be able to find out from the records office. Just a thought........but perhaps I should take a peek at some of the graveyards.
Perhaps I should try a different avenue and try to trace Bererley Simpson's steps. The last time I was at the records office in Napanee I was told that someone else had been there searching the "Simpson's" perhaps they could put me in touch with them
Ann