John Lester, Everton Barman/Publican

Post by **ianj4** » 14 Oct 2009 21:41

Last year I asked for some help in trying to track my great grandfather, John lester and what happened to him in later life. I am still looking.

john lester was born in 1869/70 in Woolton. He appears to have been given up by his family and appears in the 1871 census as a nurse child.

I now have copies of his son's marriages in 1929 and 1930 in which he is listed as deceased. One of them states his occupation as Licensee

I have a birth certificate for my great Aunt in 1906 in which he is listed as a publican.

I Have a photograph of him taken outside a pub. On the wall above his head there is a street sign, "Rothwell Street".

In 1911 the census have the family living in 1 Monk Street, However, he has been struck out at the bottom and the old address is struck out.

I have searched the death lists from 1911 to 1930 and can find no reference to him.

I was wondering. If he was a licencee would there be a reference to him in any record of publicans etc?

Does anyone have any list of pubs on Rothwell Street, ( I assume in Everton) at which he worked?

Has anyone any ideas of how I can track his death. Any help will be most gratefully recieved.

Ian J

Post by **colette** » 15 Oct 2009 00:21

Hi Ian

I think 1 Monk St was on the corner of Friar St so maybe confusion with the enumerator when doing the census.. 1900 Mrs Isabella Guthrie was there and again 1911 shes still there..Friar St isnt in the 1911 directory.. where they still there on daughters birth cert 1906 ???

I have pubs books upstairs so first thing i will get the one for Everton out and see what pubs were on Rothwell St for you..he sounds like my Great Grandad worked his way up as a Barman then manager then licencee

xx

Post by **ianj4** » 15 Oct 2009 05:51

Yes I have them living in Friar Steet in 1901. However in 1906 They are in 7 Thorndale Street.

In the 1911 census, what I find interesting is that John Lester had filled in the bottom of the census return with an address of 15 Hamilton Street. This is then crossed out and Isabella Guthrie's (John's mother in law)name is written over the top and the address of 1 Monk Street where Isabella and the family lived until, my great grandma moved to 12 Varthern Street in Anfield. She dided there in 1955.

I am not sure whether John Lester did a runner, or if he died

Post by **Tina** » 15 Oct 2009 09:26

Hi Ladies

1938 Directory 12 Varthen St Everton
Mrs Janet Lester

1 Monk St cnr Friar St Everton
Mrs Isabella Guthrie

Tina

Post by **colette** » 15 Oct 2009 09:54

Hiya

Had a good look in my pub book but no pubs on Rothwell St in there .. mad really as all around Whitefield Rd theres every pub even Grey Rock St & Red Rock St facing theres pub pictures

Your lucky to have a picture what i wouldnt give for a pic of my Great Grandad outside the pub he ran ...
So hes alive in 1911 and dead by 1929..so we need to find him inbetween dont we..

xx

Post by **daggers** » 15 Oct 2009 10:14

In the City of Liverpool Licensing Report Book for 1909 there is one pub in Rothwell Street: no. 18, with no name shown. It had a full licence, the manager was Fredk Roberts, the owners Bents Brewery Co Ltd., it was in B police division. There had been 7 licensees between 1 Jan 1900 and 1909. A later note shows that the licence was allowed to lapse in 1925.
There may be similar details for other years in the Liverpool Record Office.
D

Post by **colette** » 15 Oct 2009 12:15

Hi Ian

Wondering how he knows he was born in Woolton..and this Wright family have you found them in 1881 ???

xx

Post by **Tina** » 16 Oct 2009 07:50

Hi Col
His birthplace as Lpool when he was a nurse child.
1891 John Lester 22 boarding in Everton, birthplace Woolton.

Free BMD have no births for West Derby but there is one in Prescot, march qtr 1868.

Added: I've the youngest member of the Wright family in 1881, Martha Hannah (11 in 71), she's a housemaid at "The Grange" Woolton Rd, Little Woolton for the Walker's (brewery)

TTFN

Tina

Post by **colette** » 16 Oct 2009 09:17

Hi

I know he has born Liverpool as a babe then later when hes older hes born Woolton.. HOW DOES HE KNOW where he was born unless someone has told him.

Lets say his mother died and left two babies him and this Sarah E who was the other nurse child born Liverpool in Manchester 1871..Dad couldnt cope so had to let them go to these woman who were on a list to take in babies..

I think we need to find both kids in 1881 and try to find the Wrights and Ann Bennett to see did they stay with these families or move on..

xx

Post by **colette** » 05 Nov 2009 10:09

Hi can anyone help Ian find the name of this pub...Landlord John Lester in photo..pub not in 1900,1911,1938 directories

Post by **Doedoe** » 05 Nov 2009 11:00

hello Colette
Rothwell Street ran between Whitefield Rd and Barnes Street Liverpool 6 if this is any help
Doe

Post by **colette** » 05 Nov 2009 11:18

Hi Doe and thanks i know where it was.. i have gone through my pub books too and they miss that street

typical.

xx

Post by **Doedoe** » 05 Nov 2009 11:51

Colette

1891 census

18 Rothwell Street

Rothwell Arms

landlord M Parkinson

Doe

Post by **Tina** » 05 Nov 2009 12:10

1894 Gores/Kellys Directory

18 Rothwell St Everton
Miss Nancy Eve.....Wine & Spirit Vaults

Tina

Post by **colette** » 05 Nov 2009 12:13

Rothwell Arms aye..

Thank you

Post by **daggers** » 05 Nov 2009 12:27

My trusty Licensing Report Book [1909] gives for that address:
Full licence, but no name, licensee Fredk Roberts, manager for Bents Brewery Co Ltd. 7 licensees since 1/1/1900. Noted in pen: 'No application for renewal 1925."
D

PS Just seen I have put this in before, so forget this post!