help with missing info 1891 census

Post by **MaryA** » 02 Oct 2009 14:46

A lot of what ifs and certainly they do fit, but we have to remember that it was Alberta FENNELL who married Edward, so that certificate is needed to see if she was a spinster or widow and who is listed as her father, to make the sense fit

Post by **Lesley Black** » 02 Oct 2009 16:06

Thanks Mary for all your help & guidance - off to lay down in a darkened room - my brain's aching

Lesley

Post by **chrisrose** » 04 Oct 2009 20:36

Dear Lesley,
Been lying down in a darkened room all weekend

(oh if only!).
I think we have probably found the elusive Edward Charles Blamey after all.

I think you were right and he does use the Blamey and Dodd names interchangeably (oh what fond memories of my Birchall/Cranks that brings back).

The only way to sort this out was to put it all in chronological order – see below.
I think the Edward Dodd aged 7 in 1891, living with Charles Dodd is Edward Charles Blamey. It all makes sense to me!
Questions still remain about Edward Blamey senior's birth and death and what happened to Albertha and why Edward ended up in the orpahanage, particularly as his grandparents Charles and Ann Dodd are still around in 1901.
Also not sure if we can assume Charles Dodd was Edward Blamey senior's father or whether he just married his mother Ann Blamey. If he was the father, why did they wait so long to get married and it is interesting that they do not appear to have any more children?
Let me know what you think. Despite the unanswered questions I’m pretty convinced.
(Off to lie down again now)

Chris

1841 The Windmill, Galmpton Village
John Blamey 45, Elizabeth 35, Ann 13, Robert 5, Susan 1
HO107; Piece 227; Book: 19; Civil Parish: Churston Ferrers; County: Devon; Enumeration District: 8; Folio: 9; Page: 12; Line: 20;

? @1848 Edward Blamey (mother Ann) birth not found

1851 Higher Street Dartmouth
Elizabeth Blamey (Mar, sailor’s wife) 45, Ann 22, Robert 14, Edward (grandson) 3 months, Charles Dodd 26 (lodger)
HO107; Piece: 1873; Folio: 407; Page: 6;

1853 Q3 Albertha Fennell Newton Abott 5b

1855 Charles Dodd m Ann Blamey Marriage Q3 1855 Totnes 5b 293

1861 Higher street Dartmouth
Charles Dodd 34, Ann 30, Edward 10
RG9; Piece: 1416; Folio: 44; Page: 21;

1861 Teignmouth
Alberta Fennel 8 (visitor)
RG9; Piece: 1400; Folio: 42; Page: 2;

1871 Horn Lane, Dartmouth
Charles Dodd 45 (Mar), Edward 19 (no Ann!)
RG10; Piece: 2093; Folio: 70; Page: 28;

1871 census no sign of Albertha

1873 Ellen Louisa Fennell Q2 1873 Totnes 5b

Edward Blamey marries Albertha Fennell Totnes Devon Q2 1878 5b 339

1881 Higher Street, Dartmouth
Bertha Blamey 28 (mar, Mariner’s wife), Bertha Blamey 2
RG11; Piece: 2174; Folio: 74; Page: 29;

1881 Horn Lane, Dartmouth
Charles Dodd 56, Ann 48, Ellen Fennell 8
RG11; Piece: 2174; Folio: 76; Page: 34;

?1881 – 1891 Edward Blamey (Dodd) death not found

1891 Higher Street Dartmouth
Albertha Dodd 39 (w), Ellen 18, Bertha 12, Kate 9, Bessie 5
RG12; Piece: 1710; Folio 76; Page 24;

1891 Horn Lane Dartmouth
Charles Dodd 65, Ann 58, Edward C 7 (Grandson)RG12; Piece: 1710; Folio 79; Page 30;

1891 Lower Street, St. Petrox, Dartmouth
Robert Blamey aged 55 probably Ann’s brother Robert who was 5 in 1841
RG12 piece 1710, folio 22, p.4.

Edward Blamey entered the orphanage in July 1893 - he left in July 1897
? did Albertha die?

1901 Edward Blamey crew on Nautilus in Plymouth
RG13; Piece: 2103; Folio: 95; Page: 3.

1901 Horn Lane, Dartmouth
Charles Dodd 76, Ann 68, Kate Dodd 19
RG13; Piece: 2069; Folio: 63; Page: 28

1901 Southford Road, Dartmouth
Bertha Dodd 22 Visiting Bessie Davey
RG13; Piece: 2069; Folio: 34; Page: 11

1901 Tavistock
Bessie Dodd 16 (servant to Archibald Mcarthur naval officer)
RG13; Piece: 2116; Folio: 15; Page: 21

Post by **MaryA** » 04 Oct 2009 20:55

And after that summary I'm now off to lie in that darkened room! How they like to confuse us, but I'm glad we are all in agreement that we've found the little guy.

Are we sure that it was an orphanage he was in rather than some sort of industrial school, like training for his future career?

In view of all the name changes that marriage cert is a must have.

Post by **Lesley Black** » 04 Oct 2009 21:08

Hi Chris
So pleased to hear from you

haven't been able to trace Alberta's death and I've searched all 3 surnames, not traced his father's death either - as it was at sea not sure what success I'll have - fisherman rather than naval.

I wondered too why he didn't go back to grandfather's house or even live with him - wonder if he was a bit of a rebel!!

His leaving papers from the orphanage just say 'gone to friends' and address given Crowthers Hill, Dartmouth but haven't searched that yet

Think I'll go and find a darkened room too!!

Lesley

Post by **Lesley Black** » 04 Oct 2009 21:25

Hi Chris just re-read your last post - sorry I didn't appear to reply to it

Follow everything as you've laid it out - looks similar to mine - didn't track rest of family to 1901 just had Edward Charles on Nautilus.

Another oddity - on Edward Charles b/c (1883) it names father as Edward Honeyberne/Honeybourne Blamey - have you ever come across that name - I've searched but no success

Lesley

Post by **Lesley Black** » 04 Oct 2009 21:31

Hi Mary

it was definitely an orphanage (Brixham Seamens Orphaned Boys Home) although i guess they were expected to go to sea and received basic training whilst there

Lesley

Post by **MaryA** » 04 Oct 2009 21:33

Lesley Black wrote: Another oddity - on Edward Charles b/c (1883) it names father as Edward Honeyberne/Honeybourne Blamey

AND the marriage certificate!

Post by **Lesley Black** » 04 Oct 2009 22:55

Hi Mary

Request for marriage cert will be in epost tomorrow I promise!!

Lesley

Post by **MaryA** » 05 Oct 2009 09:22

Just didn't want it overlooked that the Honeybourne was noted on that also.

Am I expecting too much from this marriage certificate - I'll be embarrassed if it's a bit of a let down.

Post by **chrisrose** » 05 Oct 2009 18:55

Hi all,
I've been let out again

Glad that we seem to have all reached a concensus.
Haven't found any other references to Honeybourne.
Looking forward to hearing what the marriage cert says when it arrives.
If there is anything else I can look up Lesley, let me know.
Not sure what else they have in Torquay library. I know they have some parish records for Torquay, so they might have Dartmouth as well.
Chris

Post by **Lesley Black** » 06 Oct 2009 16:51

Cheers Chris

Lesley

Post by **chrisrose** » 21 Oct 2009 18:57

Hi Lesley,
Just wondered if you had made any progress or got any certificates?
Regards
Chris

Post by **Lesley Black** » 23 Oct 2009 15:38

Hi Chris

Ashamed to say nothing at all yet - been drowning in work, I so want to retire but if the powers that be keep upping the age limit it ain't ever going to happen! - just snatched a few mins to catch up with the Forum

Will let you know asap if I have any news

Lesley x