help with missing info 1891 census

[Lesley Black]

Hi Folks

Me again still searching for Blamey family in Devon.

Have just been checking 1891 Dartmouth - there are 4 enumeration districts listed, each has its own description but each district has just 1 page of names & addresses (RG12/1710)

Could this be the end of the road for me - is it just a glich on Ancestry - any thoughts and suggestions gratefully received

Just waiting for a birth cert to enable me to go to 1881 - but I'm SO impatient!!

Lesley

[MaryA]

I see what you mean, District 2 has only a part of Lower Street as it doesn't look as though the family at the bottom of the page is complete, also the Description of Enumeration District gives a much wider area.

There are a number of places to search censuses - Findmypast, The Genealogist and if you were able to go to the Record Office nearest to Dartmouth they should also have the images on microfilm.

I suggest you contact the Devon Record Office to ask their advice http://www.devon.gov.uk/record_office.htm

[marchbird]

Hi Lesley

Which Blamey are you looking for on the 1891 census? There is a family of Blamey's in Lower Street, St. Petrox, Dartmouth - they appear to be lodging with a Mrs. Rafferty.

RG12 piece 1710, folio 22, p.4.

RAFFERTY, Mary J. Head, Married, 27, 1864, b. Dartmouth
BLAMEY, William J. Lodger, Single, 29, 1862, Gen. Labourer, b. Dartmouth
" Robert W. Lodger, Widower, 55, 1836, General Labourer, b.Galmpton
" Sydney, Lodger, Single, 17, 1874, General Labourer, b. Dartmouth
" Thomas E. Lodger, 15, 1876, b. Dartmouth
" Emma S. Lodger, 21, 1870, Gen. Servant Domestic, b. Dartmouth

Marchbird

[dickiesam]

Hello Lesley,
There are 4 Lower Streets in Devon shown in the 1891. In the one for Dartmouth there is only one 'house' number listed, #1, but there are 49 'households' there. Big house! I think the 1 to 49 #s are Schedule #s and the 'houses are not numbered. Here are the Blameys listed as Schedule #20:

RAFFERTY, Mary J - Head - Married - 27 - 1864 - Dartmouth.
BLAMEY, William J - Lodger - Single - 29 - 1862 - General Labourer - Dartmouth.
BLAMEY, Rober W - Lodger - Widower - 55 - 1836 - General Labourer - Galmpton.
BLAMEY, Sydney - Lodger - Single - 17 - 1874 - General Labourer - Dartmouth.
BLAMEY, Thomas E - Lodger - 15 - 1876 - Dartmouth.
BLAMEY, Emma S - Lodger - 21 - 1870 - General Servant - Dartmouth.

RG12 Piece: 1710 Folio: 21 Page: 1


Cheers,
Dickiesam

[Lesley Black]

Hi everybody

I'm trying to find Edward Charles William Blamey who was born 3rd Sept 1883 but know absolutely nothing about his family - just waiting for his birth cert to arrive which hopefully will give a few more clues.

Edward went into the Brixham Seamans Orphans Home in 1893 which cared for boys whose fathers had perished at sea. I was hoping to find him with parents/mother/siblings etc in 1891

Mary - I can see a holiday to Devon on the cards!!

Thanks to everybody for looking

Lesley

[chrisrose]

Hi Lesley,
Thanks for your pm. I'm pleased to hear that Brixham Museum were so helpful. Look forward to hearing more details of Edward's parents.
My intuition is that the family above must be connected in some way to your lot. It looks to me like Robert Blamey is Mary Jane Raffetry's father as there is a marriage in Dec Q of 1893 of Mary Jane Blamey to John Rafferty. Robert in 1881 has a daughter Mary Jane.
Haven't been able to find Edward in 1891 yet.
I've looked at the Torquay Local Studies website and they only mention having the 1901 census on microfiche, but I will pop in (probably next week now) and check out if they do have any 1891 info). If you get the birth cert perhaps you could update me, so that if they have anything I'll have more to go on.
Fingers crossed that we can find him somewhere,
Chris

[chrisrose]

Another thing.
I assume you have found Edward in the 1901 census as a crew member on the Nautilus in Plymouth
Class: RG13; Piece: 2103; Folio: 95; Page: 3.
Chris

[Lesley Black]

Hi Chris

Thanks so much for your help and info - I didn't find him on 1901 but marchbird did on my original search

Will be in touch when more info comes to light

Million thanks

Lesley

[chrisrose]

Hi Lesley,
As promised I managed to get to Torquay library today. The good news is that they do have the 1891 census on microfiche . The bad news is I haven't managed to find Edward ..... yet!
I looked through 2 of the 4 fiches for Dartmouth, to no avail. I had a few other things to do in town so wasn't able to get through all 4. Now I know where they are I will try and do those next time I get there and have a bit of spare time, hopefully in the next couple of weeks.
I did come across the Blamey family mentioned above who were lodging with Mary Rafferty, so at least I know I was looking in the right place.
Have you managed to get hold of Edward's birth cert yet?
If I don't have any luck with the census I'll see if the Dartmouth Baptism registers are available next time I go.
Will update when I have more to report.
Chris

[MaryA]

Aren't our members lovely going out of their way in other parts of the country, thanks Chris.

[chrisrose]

Thank you for that Mary.
I must say I quiet enjoyed myself and it's good to feel that you are helping someone else out. I just hope I have more luck with the other fiches.
So many people have helped me out along the way both through this and another forum I use, including doing look ups for me in places I can't get to easily. I must admit that living so far from Lancashire it does get frustrating sometimes that I can't just pop down the road to look something up.
In my book what goes around comes around and if we can't help each other out now and again then we've reached a sorry state of affairs.
Chris

[MaryA]

That's a lovely way to think of it, as most of our crew do, I know.

Mary

[Lesley Black]

Hi Chris
I've now got the cert

Edward Charles William Blamey born 3/9/1883

Father listed as Edward Honeybourne Blamey
Mother Alberta Blamey formerly Fennell

living at Higher Street Dartmouth

Couldn't find any connection with Honeybourne as a middle name or any other. Entered Edward Blamey circa 1851 on Ancestry and was immediately linked to a family tree that goes back to 1535 - still not sure if it's the correct one as Blamey is such a'popular' name in Devon.

Edward Chas Wm appears to have had 4 sisters -

Ellen Louise Fennell b 1873
Albertha (Bertha) Blamey b 1879
Kate Dodd b 1882
Bessie Dodd b 1886

But I can find no trace of him on 1891 either nor can I find the death of his father

Thanks for your continuing help

Lesley

[MaryA]

Marriage of
Edward Honeyberne Blaney to Alberta Fennell in Totnes Devon Q2 1878 5b 339

[MaryA]

I would suspect that Alberta has been married before

1881 Horn Lane, Dartmouth St Saviour, Devon
Charles Dodd Head M 56 Boatman Dartmouth Devon
Ann Wife M 48 Nurse Churston Devon
Ellen Fennell Granddaur 8 Scholar Dartmouth Devon
RG11; Piece: 2174; Folio: 76; Page: 34

and in 1891
Horn Lane, Dartmouth, Devon
Charles Dodd Head M 65 Waterman Dartmouth Devon
Ann Wife M 68 Nurst Churston Devon
Edward C Grandson 7 Scholar Dartmouth Devon
Harriet Adams Sister Wid 68 Dartmouth Devon
RG12; Piece: 1710; Folio 79; Page 30

[MaryA]

Interesting and confusing - think you will need the marriage certificate of Edward and Alberta to figure out who her father is but meantime I followed Charles and Ann Dodd through the censuses backwards expecting to find a daughter Alberta, but all I found was a son Edward, born approximately 1851.

1851 census
Higher Street, comes immediately after Horn Lane, Dartmouth, Devon
Elizabeth Blamey Head Mar 48 Sailor's Wife Devon Carington?
Ann daur Un 22 Home Devon Churston Towers
Robert son 14 " " "
Edward Grandson 3 months Devon Dartmouth
Charles Dodd Lodger U 26 Fisherman Dartmouth Devon
HO107; Piece: 1873; Folio: 407; Page: 6

I love it when things get complicated like that!!

[Lesley Black]

Hi Mary

I am in awe of your amazing ability to find people so quickly!!

Thank you so so much

I've must start thinking more laterally!!

Lesley

[MaryA]

Still ain't found Alberta though! - Yes there is one, age 8 in 1861 who is a visitor to a Mary Call and daughter Mary Ellen, and an Ann Cookson who I think is another visitor but writing not clear, in Teignmouth but she doesn't really sit for age.

You will need the marriage cert to progress I think.

[MaryA]

PS going back to 1855, as expected I think Charles William Dodd married Ann Blamey but there is also on the same page an Elizabeth Blamey and Grace Stevens Doddridge and only one other male, a William Philp.

Marriage Q3 1855 Totnes 5b 293

Wonder who the Edward Dodd, age 10 is in 1861 more confusion

[Lesley Black]

Hi Mary

I'm tryingto digest your new info, the possible link to an existing family tree and the ever changing use of surnames.

From tree
Charles Dodd (b 1825) m Ann Blamey (b 1828) in 1855 - one son Edward Charles Blamey (b 1851), although when HIS son was born the birth certificate shows father's name to be Honeybourne/Honeyberne.

What if ................
1. Edward Charles (1851) took mother's name cos born out of wedlock but used the name Dodd when it suited.

2. Alberta Fennell had Ellen Louise out of wedlock, Alberta only ever married Edward Blamey (sometimes known as Dodd) and swung between the two names.

My reasoning .......
In 1881 census a Bertha Dodd 28 Mariners wife has a 2yr old daughter also called Bertha (sorry I've not recorded the page details etc)

In 1891 Albertha Dodd 39 widow (again I've stupidly not got page details)
Ellen L Dodd 18
Bertha Dodd 12
Kate Dodd 9
Bessie Dodd 5

Edward Charles Blamey born 1883 was registered at the Brixham Seamens Orphanage in 1893 - so all dates seem to fit.

Hope this makes sense

Lesley