help needed: Johan Eckeho married 08.6.1880

Post by **buttercups1971** » 10 Sep 2009 21:07

hello

This is my first post so I will try to remember to give you all the information :

I have tring to find johan eckeho before his marriage. I have the marriage certificate he is 38 years of age and a labourer and resisdence was Tatlock road liverpool. His father was peter Eckeho,

His wife was Mary ellen Barkely age 26 and also at tatlock road liverpool.

the two witnesses were John teale and catherine teale.

My understanding is that he was born in germany, hanover. I have no direct evidence of this. I am able to trace the wife but the husband I am at a dead end.

The censorrs did mispell his name for later years. I have no trace of peter eckeho anywhere. I have googled and done searches nothing.

Any help in this mystery would be very much appreciated. Many thanks fo taking the time to read

p.s in 1900ish they changed their name to hagar,, no idea why!! again they were still living in liverpool.

Post by **simone** » 10 Sep 2009 21:27

Hi Buttercup, welcome

For the crew,
Marriage Jun q 1880
Barkley Mary Ellen Liverpool 8b 261
Eckeho Johan Liverpool 8b 26

1881
RG11; Piece: 3597; Folio: 46; Page: 28
John Ekho 38 labourer, b Hanover, BS
Mary Ellen Ekho 27 b Liverpool
Ada Ekho 2

Simone x

Post by **buttercups1971** » 10 Sep 2009 21:30

thanks for the welcome simone...

Post by **Hilary** » 10 Sep 2009 21:34

Hi and welcome to the forum

What was Johan's occupation and his father Peter's occupation?

Ed Officer

Post by **buttercups1971** » 10 Sep 2009 21:39

hi again
the marriage certificate states both johan and peter were labourers. I have heard they worked at the suger factory but again nothing firm!!

hope that is helpfull/

liz

Post by **buttercups1971** » 10 Sep 2009 21:41

1881
RG11; Piece: 3597; Folio: 46; Page: 28
John Ekho 38 labourer, b Hanover, BS
Mary Ellen Ekho 27 b Liverpool
Ada Ekho 2

just to confirm the above is right, the name was misspelt. ada was not johans daughter. she was born before the marriage. her father was frank barkley.

hope that helps!
liz

Post by **simone** » 10 Sep 2009 21:41

Wondering about this chap in 1871

RG10; Piece: 3767; Folio: 41; Page: 36
3 Summer/Sumner Street?
Name Age
Charles Reincoke 40
Sarah Reincoke 37
John Reincoke 13
Charles Reincoke 9
Richd Reincoke 6
Joseph Reincoke 4
Thomas Reincoke 1
John E Koff 28 Labourer, b Hanover

Simone x

Post by **Hilary** » 10 Sep 2009 21:43

Did the family have any children? If so what names are they registered/baptised with.

www.lancashirebmd.org.uk gives Johan's surname as Eckero

We could do with a German speaker who could think of a Germanic name that would become Eckeho in English.

Did Johan sign the marriage register? perhaps someone could look at the actual entry in the register for you.

Ed Officer

Post by **buttercups1971** » 10 Sep 2009 21:43

John E Koff 28 Labourer, b Hanover

ooooooooo,, now i not come across this spelling,,, mmmmmmm found loads of others!

Post by **buttercups1971** » 10 Sep 2009 21:51

Did the family have any children? If so what names are they registered/baptised with.
--- yes they did have children. ada was christened as barkley.
they had
ada
ellen hagar1882
peter hagar 1885
hannah hagar 1886
annie hagar 1887
william hagar1888
lydia hagar was the first to be registered as hagar in 1890
john hagar 1893

www.lancashirebmd.org.uk gives Johan's surname as Eckero.. yes fully aware of this name issue. I have no idea what is the right spelling. the marriage certificate is all i ahve which says eckeho.

We could do with a German speaker who could think of a Germanic name that would become Eckeho in English. ---- yep i agree!

Did Johan sign the marriage register? no! it does not even have a cross on it. the name on the certificate is written by the priest you can tell.

is this any help?

again liz

Post by **Hilary** » 10 Sep 2009 21:55

Yes it all helps. It might be worth asking for someone to look at the actual entry in St Peter's just to see how Johan signs his name if it's readable of course!

He could have worked at a sugar house as there were a lot about.

Ed Officer

Post by **Hilary** » 10 Sep 2009 21:59

1891 census 32 Benledi St Liverpool
John ECKHO H M 49 general labourer bn Germany
Mary E wife 36
Ellen 8
Peter 6
Hannah 4
William H 2
Lidia 8 months or it could be 3
all rest bn Liverpool

Indexed as ECKHS

Ed Officer

Post by **buttercups1971** » 10 Sep 2009 22:00

thanks for the response...no idea how to ask someone to look at an original? original of what? would the marriage certificate at the church require a signiture??

sorry i am very new at the research part! I have hit such a brickwall i have been going around it circles

)

thanks again liz

Post by **buttercups1971** » 10 Sep 2009 22:02

yep EO,, thats the right family.. i think lydia was 3. the censuss is not clear but the baptisim is.

hey you are finding allllllllllllll the different spellings

yep another spelling different from the marriage but its definatly the right family.

Post by **simone** » 10 Sep 2009 22:12

buttercups1971 wrote:thanks for the response...no idea how to ask someone to look at an original? original of what? would the marriage certificate at the church require a signiture??

Hi Liz

Some members of this board will look up entries for you at Liverpool Record Office, when they are next going and if they have the time. They will look at the original entry which can generally be found on microfilm at the record office. All you need to do is start a new thread with the details of the marriage you want looking up..or if you see a thread where someone is offering lookups when they next go you can add it there. It may take a while though before someone is going.

Alternatively if you are near enough yourself you could book in at the Record Office to look yourself., 0151 233 5817. Machines are 50p to book but if you want to print something make sure you book a reader/ printer, not just a reader machine... prints are 30p

Very often a cheap way to get marriage certs if you know the church rather than pay £7 from GRO or REgister office

Simone x

Post by **buttercups1971** » 10 Sep 2009 22:20

thanks simone for the tip,,, i am in sunny north devon so a way for me to go

.. i did not want to start another thread until i had got my head around your forum. somtimes people getu upset when you ask multiple questions on diffirent threads??

i go and have a root around for a thread heading.. thank you

i have chekced john ekoff but he does not look like my man?? need to search a bit more!

thanks again liz[/quote]

Post by **MaryA** » 11 Sep 2009 10:53

Hi and welcome from me also.

I understand what a difficult time you must be having with a name like that but that our crew will be as helpful as they are able, believe me they have overcome huge difficulties before now.

Berlin-Bob on Rootschat Europe Board has a German background himself and has made a collection of useful tips, he may be able to offer some advice about the name.

Post by **Tina** » 11 Sep 2009 11:39

Hello from downunder Buttercups

Here is 1901 census 60 Latimer St Lpl
John ECKLE 59 bn Germany general labourer ?? warehouse or in workhouse?? there's a tick on the very right under lunatics etc??
Mary E 46, Ellen 18 servant, ? male Peter?16 rlwy ?, Annie 14 dom serv, William 12, Lydia 10, Henry 2 (big gap here)

Would appreciate the crew having a look at this, thanks.

RG13/3408/199/22

Tina

Post by **MaryA** » 11 Sep 2009 14:12

Yes Tina, I think this is the man

Surname reads Eckho to me, occupation General Labourer Sugar Warehouse, born Germany F.S. (Foreign Subject would that be? might mean that he's never applied to become a British Subject)
Ellen I think is General Servant Domestic
Peter I wondered about Railway Weighman, but the first letter looks more like an M

Yes big gap, I would think they have had another couple of children during those years.

The tick in the end column would appear to be the enumerator counting those born outside Lancashire - see the family below.

Post by **buttercups1971** » 11 Sep 2009 19:23

Surname reads Eckho to me, occupation General Labourer Sugar Warehouse, born Germany F.S. (Foreign Subject would that be? might mean that he's never applied to become a British Subject)

hi again everyone,, wow you got loads of information already. Yes the name eckho/ekhoho/ekhos are all the same person. I am told that the literacy of some of the people was non existant!. In reards to the bristish subject bit.. i have been trying to find out if he had to register to get married or whether becouse he got married he was classed as british? I can put in my reasearch that he was a sugar labourer in 1901!

the children were
ada Barkely1879
ellen Eckeho1882
peter eckeho 1885
hannah eckeho 1886
anne eckeho 1887
william 1888
lydia hagar 1890
john hagar 1893
henry hagar1898

From Lydia onwards they were christened hagar not eckeho. (note the baptisums are all spelt wrong but the mums name and fathers names match and address!)

ada born out of wedlock and not johan's child

I can also find no trace of peter eckeho who is johans father

a mystery

again liz
p.s thanks for all you help