burke,sainsbury family connection

[jupiter32]

my mother-inlaw family, thomas sainsbury married an Mary Ann Mahoney,thomas son, george sainsbury 1898 married a mary burke 1900 her father mark burke married alice mcdermott both born 1880,s she then married his brother john any information on the burke and sainsbury side would be helpful to me they all came from liverpool city thankyou

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

Can you please tell us what resources you have, or what you need so that we can see what help we can give you.

[jupiter32]

the only information i have is what my mother in-law has told me about the burkes and sainsbury families i am trying to research the family tree i am also a member of genes reunited but don,t seem to be getting anywere, on both these families and the only information i seem to have is what i wrote i have tried cencus records,marriage and death records but cannot find any more information on any of the people. i have found that thomas sainsbury lived at secombe st in liverpool but thats all i have found thankyou for your help on this its got me flummixed again thankyou

[MaryA]

The only point I can verify at present is a good starting point

Alice Burke married John Burke at Liverpool St Peter, 1914 between October and December.

Might I suggest that you get details of this marriage and check the status of Alice as LancashireBMD doesn't have this marriage down with two names as is usual with a widow.

If you check the forum messages, you will find that Simone is offering to do simple look ups at the REcord Office at the weekend, if you add these details onto her message she might be good enough to check it for you.

[simone]

It's ok Mary, I'll have a look at the marriage if jupiter32 would like me to

Would ask though, are you sure Alice's first husband was called Mark, where is this info from? Is everything you have word of mouth or do you have any marriage/birth certificates to verify? Only ask because there is a marriage on Lancs BMD site of Alice McDermott to a Matthew Burke in 1898 can't look at that one though as it is Register Office one.

We'll start with the one Mary found though, I'll let you know what it says.


Simone x

[jupiter32]

thankyou i will do this now thankyou for your help again thnkyou

[MaryA]

Thanks Simone, I think it might be helpful.

[colette]

Hi

I have found Thomas & Mary Ann

Marriage Thomas Sansberry Mary Ann Marney St Peter 1884
also named Sausberry on Lancs BMD...

1901 Census 6 Clement St All Souls Scotland Rd area..

Thomas Sansbury aged 47 Gen Labourer b Lpool
Mary A age 37 Fish Curer b Lpool
Thomas age 15 b Lpool
Margaret age 13 b Lpool
Polly age 11 b Lpool
James age 7 b Lpool
George age 4 b Lpool.


Margaret,William & James are registered under SANSBURY..

I have found George's Baptism

LIVERPOOL RC BAPTISM Search Results

Year-Ref District Year of Birth Year of Baptism Forename Surname Surname of Father (if different) For Full Details of this Baptism
1897-2416 NORTH (INNER) 1897 1897 GEORGE SANSBURY REQUEST FORM

You need to send off for the document

At.... http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co. ... s/year.php


1891 2 House 7 Court Eccles St Scotland Ward All Souls

Thomas Sansbury age 32 Dock Labourer b Lpool
Mary A age 26 b Lpool
Thomas age 5 b Lpool
Margaret age 3 b Lpool
William age 8 moths b Lpool
Nephew Daniel Rearin age 10 b Lpool
Niece Eileen Rearin age 6 b Lpool

Cannot see a Mary Burke with mother Alice..

I can see a marriage for an Alice McDermott to a Matthew Burke in 1898 and the death of a Matthew Burke in Liverpool 1908 aged 31 so born c 1877.

Did Mary Burke born 1900 have any brothers or sisters..not the step brothers and sisters thats her mum and John had.. but others ?????


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[colette]

Hi

George Sandsbury -Mary Burke marriage 1921, Dau Alice Sandsbury b later that year 1921

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[colette]

Hi

Found Alice she is the one who married Matthew..

1901 12 Spring Place Christ church St Anns Ward

Matthew Bucke age 24 Dock Lab b Lpool
Alice age 23 b Lpool
Dau Mary M age 1 b Lpool (proberbly Mary Maguire Burke)

Martin McDermott age 50 Boot & Shoe Maker b Ireland
Mary age 44 b Lpool
Thomas age 20 Dock Labourer b Lpool
Jane age 15 b Lpool
John age 12 b Lpool
William age 7 b Lpool
Matthew age 3 b Lpool

All in same house

1891 Pepper St by Richmond Row
Martin McDermott age 42 Boot & Shoe Maker b Ireland
Mary age 33 b Lpool
Alice age 14 b Lpool
Thomas age 10 b Lpool
Jane age 8 b Lpool
Mary age 6 b Lpool
John age 1 b Lpool


1881 3 House 4 Court Marlborough St

Martin McDermott age 30 Boot & Shoe Maker b Ireland
Mary age 24 b Lpool
Alice age 5 b Lpool
Thomas age 1 b Lpool
Sister Susan Maguire age 15 b Lpool

Marriage Martin McDermott -Mary Maguire Christ Church 1875

1871 Martin McDermott was lodging at 8 Blenheim St Shoemaker b Ireland ..so no clue as to where in Ireland..as he nevers says..

So they were all out there its just the usual spelling mistakes that have
thrown you

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[MaryA]

Well done Colette, just goes to show what a little lateral thinking will do.

[simone]

Marriage 2/11/1914

Alice Burke - 37, widow - Spring Place - father Martin McDermott, Shoemaker
John Burke- 28? batchelor - Spring Place - father Michael Burke, Labourer
witnesses Patrick Sharp and Mary Catherine Watson

Simone x

[simone]

this could be the Burkes in 1891?

Name Age RG12; Piece: 2907; Folio 7; Page 8
58 Addison Street
Michael Burke 36 general labourer
Margaret Burke 34
Mark Burke 15
Bridget Burke 12
Marton Burke 9
John Burke 7
Thomas Mc Namara 26 boarder
Margaret Mc Namara 30
Patrick Mc Namara 2/12


1901
RG13; Piece: 3423; Folio: 115; Page: 25
34 Baptist Street
Name Age
Michael Burke 47 dock labourer
Margaret Burke 46
Martin Burke 19
Walter Burke 9

1881 Addison Street
RG11; Piece: 3608; Folio: 9; Page: 13
Name Age
Michael Burke 27 Labourers Chuck?
Margaret Burke 25
Mark Burke 5
Bridget Burke 2
Michael Burke
David Madden 36 lodger

family all born Liverpool

[jupiter32]

thankyou all i will have to do some more checking because my mother inlaw say,s her grandfather was called mark burke and not matthew burke i will let you no how i get on again thankyou all

[colette]

Hi i think we should try to find MARK with ALICE in 1901..sorry if we got you to thinking it was a Matthew..but i guess its coinsidence that he and and Alice McDermott married and had a daughter Mary in 1900.

Just thinking though this Alice who marries John Burke in 1914 is the same Alice who married Matthew.. as her father is Martin the Shoemaker.. and Spring PLace was her address

The Sansburys are correct i hope..

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[simone]

could Matthew and mark be one and the same person, maybe he didn't like that name Mark or had both names, one as a middle name

shame the Matthew/Alice marrige is register office/regiatrar attended, could have had a look at that one to confrim that they are the same person

I acn't find a Matthew that fits with dad Michael and the Mark age is about right

Simone x

[colette]

Hi

This is getting strange..you find a Mark & John who are brothers.. dad Michael.. then come 1901 no sign of Mark..can't see a marriage for a Mark Burke in the Liverpool area.. yet we see a Matthew Burke marriage to an Alice McDermott.. who is the correct name of the lady Mark married..
Then the 1914 marriage of Alice to John, Alice has the same father that the Alice had who was married to Matthew had..so she if deffo the same Alice..

Question are we sure that Alice remarried this John in 1914..i found some kids that maybe theres.. Jan needs to confirm this..

Alice 1914
Jane 1914 poss twins

John 1917
Thomas 1917 poss twins

Isabella 1921

ALL BURKE ALL MOTHER MCDERMOTT


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[simone]

Hi Col

BMD's has

1 Birth's - Matthew Burke sep q 1876 Liverpool
1 death Matthew Burke sep q 1876 Liverpool

also
Death Matthew Burke mar q 1908 Liverpool, birth 1877

birth Mar q 1876
Mark Burke


wouldn't be the first time someone kept chopping and changing their name to fox us would it
Simone x


added later - i've amended the above as there is actually only 1 birth Matthew in Liverpool 1876, the other was in Haslingden, Lancs ..sorry

[simone]

the marraige did say she was a widow so that would fit with the 1908 death for Matthew.

Simone x

[jupiter32]

colette you are correct john and alice did have the children isobel, alice and john never new there were twins but have had this now confirmed by my mother in law but she thought only alice was a twin so she is suprised to no john was a twin also thank you again