The disappearing Caves

Post by **Barbara B** » 26 Aug 2009 16:55

Like so many of my ancestors this family seem to have disappeared off the face of the earth!
I have William A Cave born Woolton 1869, his wife Margaret, born Newton-le-Willows 1871 and his two boys, William born 1895 and Stanley born 1900, both in Earlestown. They all appear on the 1901 census living in Newton-in-Makerfield. Can I find any of them on the 1911 - no I can't. I,ve tried to see if they may have emigrated but if they did it wasn't to Australia as far as I can see.
Can anyone find them?
Cheers
Barbara

Post by **MaryA** » 26 Aug 2009 20:32

Do you actually know for sure that they survived?

Try searching for Margaret Cave - birthplace NEWTON. She turns up in Warrington.

Now put in Reference RD459 and Margaret Cave in the Other Members of Household (take out birthplace Newton) and you will find
Harold 8
Marjorie 2
Mary Ann Hunt 78.

Deaths of
Stanley Cave Q3 1901 Warrington 8c 135 (born about 1901)
William Cave Q2 1901 Warrington 8c 114 age 7

Post by **MaryA** » 26 Aug 2009 20:36

William Ashton CAVE married Margaret HUNT Q4 1892 Warrington 8c 266

Post by **CaroleW** » 27 Aug 2009 00:57

William Ashton Cave aged 42 is showing in Holywell Flintshire in 1911

Post by **MaryA** » 27 Aug 2009 08:11

Thanks Carole, I hadn't even bothered to check for him in case he'd already died, although he wasn't showing up in the death indexes, I thought maybe Barbara could tell us Margaret's status from the census to make things easier.

Post by **Barbara B** » 27 Aug 2009 11:25

Thanks Mary and Carole for finding the lost Caves. I did look for Margaret but thought it wasn't the right one when William and Stanley didn't appear. How sad that the two boys died. It's good to know they went on to have more children though. I wonder what William was doing in Wales?
Once again thank you for clearing up the mystery.
Barbara

Post by **MaryA** » 27 Aug 2009 11:31

Barbara B wrote:I wonder what William was doing in Wales?

Visiting relatives maybe? he's with Thomas Cave age 68, Annie Cave 59 and Joseph Appleby Donnell age 29. It'd be interesting to know.

Definitely the right family, Thomas's birthplace is Woolton also, I suppose he's remarried since his previous wife was Elizabeth.

Post by **dickiesam** » 27 Aug 2009 15:38

Hi folks,
Re the 1911.. Looks like William is back with his father who appears to have married again. Here's the 1891 entry for Thomas Cave bn abt 1843. Occupations are the same which leads me to believe this is them.

CAVE, Thomas - Head - Married - 47 - 1844 - Wheelwright - Little Woolton, Lancashire.
CAVE, Elizabeth - Wife - Married - 45 - 1846 - Much Woolton, Lancashire.
CAVE, Thomas Ashton - Son - Single - 22 - 1869 - Clerk - Much Woolton, Lancashire.
CAVE, William Ashton - Son - Single - 22 - 1869 - Wagon Maker - Much Woolton, Lancashire.
CAVE, Annie Wright - Dtr - 18 - 1873 - Dressmaker Apprentice - Newton in Makerfield, Lancashire.
CAVE, Jessie Eleanor - Dtr - 9 - 1882 - Scholar - Newton in Makerfield, Lancashire.
RG number: RG12 Piece: 3069 Folio: 21 Page: 35
Address: 135, Earle Street, Newton In Makerfield, Earlestown, Lancashire.

Cheers,
Dickiesam

Post by **Barbara B** » 27 Aug 2009 17:22

Even more thanks Mary and dickiesam! I knew about Thomas' remarriage but I hadn't looked in the earlier census where there appears to be another daughter - Jessie. Another branch to follow.
Cheers
Barbara

Post by **Tina** » 30 Aug 2009 11:19

Hi Barbara

Cuz Gerry remembers Caves from when she was a child
1951 ish living in Whitney Rd Garston.

Tina

Edit should read WOOLTON not Garston

Post by **Barbara B** » 03 Sep 2009 17:04

Hi Tina
Sorry not to have replied earlier but we've been away for a few days after all the summer visitors!
Does Cuz Gerry remember any of the names? These may be relatives of Arthur (the rat) Oubridge!
Cheers
Barbara

Post by **Tina** » 04 Sep 2009 05:49

Oh No! Not Arthur The Rat

When we start up the new topic of "cold cases" he's going to be in there for deffo....

Will ask her Barb & get back to you.

Tina

Post by **MaryA** » 04 Sep 2009 10:35

Tina wrote:When we start up the new topic of "cold cases" he's going to be in there for deffo....

Has nobody decided to prepare the first?

Post by **Tina** » 04 Sep 2009 10:43

You should know Mary, we're like sheep here, we are waiting for you

Tina

Post by **MaryA** » 04 Sep 2009 12:37

http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... 0&start=15

and I quote "Everybody get your facts together, remember what I said CONCISE - even to bullet points, and no copy and pastes, otherwise go for it!"

Post by **Tina** » 05 Sep 2009 07:30

Thank you for the reminder Mary

C'arn Barb, go first with Arthur

A friend looked in 1949 Directory, no Cave in Whitney Rd, 8 in Lpool all William.....have you got an occupation please?
Gerry says she remembers Frank Cave, she will ask her Mum over the weekend.

Tina

Post by **Barbara B** » 05 Sep 2009 13:01

Wow Tina, I'll give the cold case a go but I'll have to dig out the notes first!
As for the Caves, William A is a wagon maker in 1901 but I don't suppose he'd still be working or even alive by the 50's.
Watch this space for cold cases.
Cheers
Barbara

Post by **Tina** » 06 Sep 2009 08:49

Onya Barbara

Did we find Wm the wagon maker in 1911 Directory?

Tina

Post by **Barbara B** » 07 Sep 2009 12:00

Don't think anyone has looked in a 1911 directory. He was in Wales in the 1911 census visiting his Dad.
Barbara

Post by **Tina** » 08 Sep 2009 10:54

Thanks Barbara about 1911.

Tina