The Guard family

[Dixieroy]

My maternal grandmother was Elizabethh Jane Guard, and among her siblings were Grace, Walter and William.
I think that Walter has a son Laurence, who will now be in his 60`s.
Any help will be most appreciated.

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

We could do with a timeframe here, do you have any idea of Elizabeth's date of birth or preferably her marriage details, her marriage certificate will have her age, address and father's name which will be essential to ensure we search for the right family.

[dickiesam]

Hello Dixieroy and welcome,
In addition to the very useful information requirements listed by MaryA, is GUARD Elizabeth's maiden or married name?
Dickiesam

[MaryA]

Subject to confirmation of her father's name from the marriage certificate, I suspect I have an entry from the 1911 census index

RD455 SD4 in the Walton on the Hill area
William Henry Guard 55
Walter 27
Elizabeth Jane 18

if this is correct then the 1901 census would appear to have been transcribed as "Gerard"
RG13; Piece: 3452; Folio: 72; Page: 16
23 Arthur Street, Walton on the Hill
All born Liverpool, Lancashire
William H Guard Head M 45 Ship's Joiner
Mary Wife M 46
William J son S 19 Platelayer Railway
Walton son 17
Grace daur 10
Elizabeth J daur 8

Birth of Elizabeth Jane Guard Q3 1892 West Derby 8b 488

1891 census
RG12; Piece: 2977; Folio 147; Page 37
All born Liverpool Lancashire
William H Guard Head M 35 Joiner
Mary Wife M 36
William J son 9 Scholar
Walter son 7 Scholar
John son 6 Scholar
Grace daur 5 months

You can search the 1881 census yourself for free at www.familysearch.org

[simone]

Welcome Dixieroy

take it you want to go backwards not forwards

Just did the 1911 census trick for household members Mary and found in West Derby
Elizabeth Jane c 1893
Grace c 1891
Mary Jane c 1885
Walter c 1884
William James c 1883


think this must be them in 1891 at 20 Dane Street, Walton on the Hill
all born Liverpool
RG12; Piece: 2977; Folio 147; Page 37
Name Age
William H Guard 35 Joiner
Mary Guard 36
William J Guard 9
Walter Guard 7
John Guard 6
Grace Guard 5/12

can't see them in 1901 yet

confirm this is right and one of the crew will go further with census for you

Simone x

[simone]

snap Mary

and you found them in 1901

Simone x

[Dixieroy]

Wow brilliant,
Yes you have my Nan`s family.
She always told me they came from Cornwall, and i just found James Guard, born in Cornwall 1816, who was living in Toxteth in the 1850`s
His wife was called Grace, also from Cornwall
Marvellous stuff, thanks somuch.

[Dixieroy]

This is my G G Grandmother, but where is Liverpool, St Martins?

Name Grace Guard
Age 30
Estimated Year of Birth 1821
Relationship to Head of Household WIFE
Occupation PROVISION DEALER
Birth Place St Just
Birth County CORNWALL
Address 28 Collingwood Street
District Liverpool, St Martin
Administrative County Lancashire

[jan44]

Hi Dixieroy,

Collingwood Street was off Great Homer Street, Scotland Road area.

Jan

[Dixieroy]

Hi Dixieroy,

Collingwood Street was off Great Homer Street, Scotland Road area.

Jan

It was the St Martins that threw me, thanks.

[dickiesam]

Hi,
This is how it is laid out on Findmypast. Much easier to understand:

Registration District: Liverpool Sub District: Saint Martins
Enumeration District: 1g Ecclesiastical Parish: All Saints
Civil Parish: Liverpool Municipal Borough: Liverpool
Address: 28, Collingwood Street, Liverpool County: Lancashire

Dickiesam

[MaryA]

Just did the 1911 census trick for household members Mary and found in West Derby
Elizabeth Jane c 1893
Grace c 1891
Mary Jane c 1885
Walter c 1884
William James c 1883

I know you were only using the index trick, but did you find these all in the same household? I only found the three I named together, but Grace, William James, Mary Jane and Elsie appear to be living elsewhere ...

[simone]

no sorry Mary did mean to say I wasn't sure they were all in the same house

Simone x

[MaryA]

Makes me suspect the mother has died and the family are split up, I think William will have married Mary Jane and Grace is staying with them, maybe to help with baby Elsie?

[Dixieroy]

Makes me suspect the mother has died and the family are split up, I think William will have married Mary Jane and Grace is staying with them, maybe to help with baby Elsie?

Not so, they did not split up.
Elizabeth Jane was my grandmother, died in 1985.
Mary Jane died as a child, as did a boy named John.
A nd i remember meeting William, Walter, and AUntie Grace also.

[MaryA]

I think you mistook my meaning.

To clarify the families and who is living/visiting who, I suggest you check the 1911 census which is pay per view so cheaper than a subscription.