1901 census look up please and thank you

[Jean Raza]

Once again, do appreciate your help.

I have never gone back as far as before civil registration. What is the next step? Do I need to know the church they were babtised in?

All the best

Jean

[Tina]

Hi Jean
Do you have George Parr coppersmith in 1841 census?
Mary & 2 others all 5yrs (ages rounded off)
and his marriage to Bethsheba Hesheth /Hesketh? 1818 St Nicks?

Baptism Holy Trinity 9/8/1832 Mary Parr to Geo & Bethsheba

Sarah is the eldest aged 20yrs.
Baptism 10/1/1819 Lpool Holy Trinity
to Geo & Bethsheba

Catherine 26/1/1834 Lpool no church


1851 George & Co in Union St Lpool

Tina

all from IGI familysearch

Now for the Bourne Identity

Jean could you give address please for Bourne from marr cert.

[MaryA]

Nice Tina, since the records have been extracted from the Parish Registers, not submitted by a user, so hopefully are quite reliable, although I'm sure Jean is aware that it's always recommended to view the Registers for herself to ensure accuracy - you can order the film at your local LDS Centre.

There's also an entry for Elizabeth to the same parents
Birth: 3 September 1839 Holy Trinity, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Christening: 10 November 1839 Holy Trinity, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Another place you could look is the Online Parish Clerk Site

[Tina]

Thank you as always Mary
Little Elizabeth isn't in the 1841 census, perhaps sadly she had died?
She's also not there in 1851.

Tina x

[MaryA]

Poor little mite, as so many of them didn't survive.

When you use the IGI Site and find somebody you are interested in, take a note of the parents names, then click the BATCH NUMBER, then enter just the parents names and it will show you all the children born to those parents on that film. There may be more earlier or later mind you.

[Tina]

Hi Mary
I did go through the batch number that's where I found Catherine & Sarah.
Couldn't find the boys from 1841.

Tina x

[Jean Raza]

Thanks to you both for looking these things up for me. I am so appreciative. I have the 1841 census thank you and I found the 1818 marriage of Bethsheba on the IGI. Can I assume that this is the furthest I can go with this as no cert issued etc?

The address on the 05 01 1851 marriage cert for James Bourne and Mary Parr is:
James Bourne, son of Robert, Bostock Street
Mary Parr, son of George Parr, Dryden Street - or atleast it looks like that. Capital D then another letter then a "y" then "dar" or "dan" / "den"??

Hope your Sunday going well, its raining here.

Cheers

Jean

[Jean Raza]

Still working though all the info you have given me. I will order death certs for Mary and James next week.

Re: the Baptism info, you have given me such great information. I feel that there cannot have been that many Bethshebas about so these must be their children. From your experience did baptisms take place quite soon after birth or did it vary? I am trying to get a feel for when the children were actually born. From your info I have been able to adjust Mary's year of birth by a couple of years.

Thanks again

[MaryA]

We never say that any point is the furthest you can go, check for Wills, rent books, church minutes, one day something will pop up and point the way just a little bit more.

Look for graves, they could be buried in a grave with other family members, or in a graveyard you wouldn't expect leading to the discovery of somebody by the same name in the same cemetery. There are links to online searches on the Websites board. http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=5739

For a start, post a look up request for the marriage of George Parr to Bethsheba, their father's won't be named but it's possible that witnesses might be family members, or it might give the parish they were living, any little extra item might give a clue.

[Jean Raza]

Thanks for your comments, they were really encouraging.

I have found marriage of Bathsheba (Bethsheba) Hesketh to George Parr on IGI, date being 03 JUN 1818, St Nicholas Church, Liverpool. When you say "post a look up request" where would they be looking if the registers did not begin til 1837? I am sure that there were many marriages at St Nics. Do they hold any records?

Rent details sound really interesting. Where can I delve for those?

Questions, questions, hope you do not mind!

KInd regards
Jean

[MaryA]

The Parish Registers for Liverpool, Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne are available at the Liverpool Record Office as are various other documents, such as Rent Books. Bear in mind tha there may not be very much details in the register, however, if it states that the marriage was by licence there may be more details given in that, again at the Record Office.

[Jean Raza]

Gosh, thats interesting, Are they on microfisch or in binder form?

Do you have to book to look at them? I live near London so would have to come up or could you ask them to do if for you? Are all that is needed the dates and church name and for rents, just the address and name? Sounds too good to be true.

Re; rents, I assume that most properties were rented by the working classes. Who would have owned them? Was there a corporation of sorts or was it private individuals?

You are a mine of information, could you possibily move next door to me? Jean

[MaryA]

Not a chance, too many of my mum's ancestors seemed to come from Luton and they got a bit baffling! although Bedfordshire has a great Family History Society and they 've given me lots of information.

Looking up Rent Books isn't straightforward, a lot of the land etc. was owned at that time by Lord Salisbury but depending on where it might be one of the others, Lord Derby or Lord Sefton and it's an area where I also get lost and have had some good help myself.

Don't overlook things like burials and Wills, some of these you can research online but for your marriage, you can either order the film at your local LDS centre or start a new post on here asking if a kind forum member would look up the marriage for you. Head it up "Marriage Look Up - Liverpool Record Office" and give the names, date and church. Ask for all details, even though you know father's won't be mentioned and that you are interested in any banns or licences if possible, although that might be too much to expect since the kind person will be taking time out of their own research to look for you.

[Jean Raza]

Thanks again. I may try and come up or get a relation to look for me. Do I have to book a slot in the Library or is there just a certain day you go?

Cheers again.

Jean

[MaryA]

If you want to be positive of a machine (the best are reader/printers) then phone and book before, they charge 50p for this, but if you don't mind taking a chance then it's free, mostly weekdays should be ok.

If you aren't restricted to which day you visit, I would suggest that you try to go on a Tuesday afternoon for your first visit as the Society holds a Help Desk and there are some very knowledgeable people on it who will be able to show you whatever you need to know.

[Jean Raza]

Brilliant, thanks.

Jean

[Targaff]

Not sure if you're still after this info, but someone uploaded a copy of the register here. Unfortunately the witnesses appear to be acquaintances rather than family...