1901 census look up please and thank you

[Jean Raza]

Could some kind soul please look up 20 / 22 Kirk Street, Liverpool for me? I think it will be in the Everton area.

I am hoping to find GEORGE BOURNE there with some of his family.

Thanking you.

Jean

[dickiesam]

Hello Jean,
Is this the one you are looking for?

BOURNE, George - Head, Married, 46, bn 1855 - Master Carter - bn Lpool.
BOURNE, Isabella - Wife, Married, 44, bn 1857 - bn Lpool.
BOURNE, Mary J - Dtr - 16 - bn 1885 - Domestic Servant - bn Lpool.
BOURNE, William - Son - 14 - bn 1887 - Fish Dealer - bn Lpool.
BOURNE, Elizabeth H - Dtr - 12 - bn 1889 - bn Lpool.
BOURNE, George - Son - 9 - bn 1892 - bn Lpool.
BOURNE, Isabella - Dtr - 3 - bn 1898 - bn Lpool.

RG number:
RG13 Piece: 3465 Folio: 49 Page: 18

Registration District: West Derby Sub District: Kirkdale EnumerationDistrict: 2 Ecclesiastical Parish: St Mary's

Civil Parish: Kirkdale Municipal Borough:
Address: 20 Kirk Street, Kirkdale, County: Lancashire

Regards,
Dickiesam

[MaryA]

Let us know if you want to continue backwards with the family.

[Jean Raza]

Thank you so much for your prompt reply. I am very grateful and amazed! My Mum said that one of the family had a fish business so as well as having the address confirmed I have also found my fish man!

Yes please if you can go backwards or forwards I would be very happy.

All the best

Jean

[jan44]

Hello Jean,

From 1911 Liverpool Directory only one George Bourne listed - Insurance Agent, 7 Millman Road Walton.

William Bourne - Team Owner 20-22 Kirk Street, Kirkdale.

Hope that helps.

Jan

[MaryA]

Don't know if the parents have died before 1911 but put this number into the Census Reference box of the 1911 census http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx and enter Isabella Bourne in the "Other Members of the Household" and you will see that George 18 and Mary Jane 27 are with Isabella 13 in the North Everton district.

[MaryA]

1891
26 Pugin Street, Kirkdale, Lancashire - all born Liverpool
George Bourne Head M 36 Carter
Isabella Wife M 36
James son 11
Mary J daur 6
William son 4
Elizabeth H daur 8months
RG12; Piece: 2959; Folio 105; Page 27

You should be able to discover the family for yourself on the free 1881 census at www.familysearch.org

[MaryA]

If you are able to confirm by George's marriage certificate that his father is James, a Ropemaker, then we'll be able to continue with the 1871 census.

[Tina]

Hi crew
1894 Directory
George Bourne team owner 20/22 Kirk St Kirkdale

Tina

[dickiesam]

Hi, just thought that since son William seems to have inherited the business that I'd mention that the 'team' in team owner (occupation - George and William) doesn't mean they owned Everton or Liverpool FC. It's a team of horses that would be used for hauling other peoples carts and wagons on a contract basis, such as for breweries.
Dickiesam

[Jean Raza]

Thanks to all of you for taking the time out to help me. From all the info you gave I can confirm he is my man! Ties in well with other details. I have got 1851, 1861, 1871 and 1881 census of his parents (James, Ropemaker and his wife Mary) so thanks, Mary, for the offer but I have it.

I have been told that James Bourne died on 26 02 1981 and his wife Mary on 29 01 1897 but have nothing to back this up. Is it worth me sending for the certs?

Going back another generation, James's dad was Robert Bourne. Born around the 1800 mark. He married Martha Foster, I believe but I have nothing at all on them. Any ideas?

Finally, thanks to Dickiesam for the explanation of Team Owner. I knew it had something to do with horses but did not exactly what.

Cheers everyone

Jean

[Tina]

Hi Jean
You can't send for death certs without full details.
Do you know how old Mary would have been at time of death also location?
We can have a squizz for you.
typo for James death year?

Thank you

Tina

deleted wrong James

[Jean Raza]

On 1851 census they are newly married and James is 24, Mary 18. I make their approx DOB as circa for James and 1833 for Mary.

James would have been 54 when he died and Mary also 54. They lived and died in LIverpool. All the family seem to have lived in the Kirkdale area.

Cheers

Jean

[Tina]

Thanks Jean
I had their ages way off, can see them now in census.

Tina

Added there's sadly a death for Mary Bourne WDby 1st qtr 1887 aged 54 yrs bn 1833c vol 8b p333
Only James I can find was born 1828c died W Dby 1st qtr 1891 aged 63yrs.

I hope this is of some help Jean

[Hilary]

The 1881 census was taken on 3 April 1881 so as your James Bourne appears on that census with his wife (at least I think he does) he cannot have died in February 1881!

try www.freebmd.org.uk for a possible death you know about when he was born and you would be looking for a West Derby registration as they appear to be in Everton.

Ed Officer

[Jean Raza]

I will get on the case right now!

If I wanted to take Mary Bourne (nee Parr) and James Bourne back a generation - her father was George Parr, Coppersmith, his father Robert Bourne corde maker (think this is rope maker??) how easy would that be? Mary was born 1833 and James 1828.

Thanks all, happy Saturday.

[Jean Raza]

Thanks again - I will get on the case.

If I wanted to take Mary (nee Parr) and James Bourne back a generation how easy would that be?

Mary born circa 1833, father George Parr, coppersmith and James born 1828, father Robert Bourne, corde maker. I have their marriage cert.

Many thanks

Jean

[Jean Raza]

Thank you for all your help, I will continue investigating! Is it worth me trying to get birth certs for James 1828 and Mary 1835?

[Tina]

Hi Ed Off
I found his death in 1891

Tina

[MaryA]

Thank you for all your help, I will continue investigating! Is it worth me trying to get birth certs for James 1828 and Mary 1835?

Civil reegistration only began in 1837 so there are no birth certificates for 1828 and 1835, you will need to look for baptisms instead.