Overseas Death

Post by **Kebs** » 10 Jul 2009 00:09

Can anyone advise where to search for details of a death in Bombay 1864 to enable to obtain a copy of death cert.

I am assuming that as he was from Liverpool his death would have been registered here.

Many thanks
Kebs

Post by **dickiesam** » 10 Jul 2009 09:00

Hi Kebs,
Give me a name and I'll check out the FindmyPast records of overseas deaths. Was the person in the military or a private individual?
Dickiesam

Post by **Tina** » 10 Jul 2009 10:39

Hi Kebs
Here's a link for you although I'm not sure which years they cover
http://indiafamily.bl.uk/UI/

also Families in British History Society

http://indiafamily.bl.uk/UI/

Good luck
Tina

Post by **Kebs** » 10 Jul 2009 11:38

Hi Dickesam and Tina

Russell Mellor bn. Edge Hill 9/2/1841 Occ: Gentleman/Annuitant.

The reference to his death was found from an Newspaper article - which gave age and father's name, all matched, which leads me to believe it is him as I have been unable to find any record of his death here.

Thanks for the link Tina will have a search.

Many thanks
Kebs

Post by **Katie** » 10 Jul 2009 22:19

Check the consular returns for deaths overseas

Post by **Kebs** » 11 Jul 2009 00:38

Katie, where do I find consular returns?.

Cheers
Kebs

Post by **northmeols** » 11 Jul 2009 03:02

I'm wondering that myself...I have a birth in Brazil and wondering how to locate it.

Post by **Hilary** » 11 Jul 2009 12:13

Hi

They're on www.findmypast.com BUT they only start in 1849 which is too early for you.

Army chaplains returns start earlier 1796 if he was in the army they're also on find my past.

Otherwise the other links might help.

Ed Officer

Post by **Kebs** » 11 Jul 2009 17:56

Thanks Ed Officer - will have a scout around, unfortunately the other links did not throw anything up, these Mellors have not made it easy!

Good luck Northmeols - thought India was bad enough.

Kebs

Post by **dickiesam** » 11 Jul 2009 21:41

Hi Kebs,
Just searched the GRO Consular Death Indices from 1850 to 1940 (when he would have been almost a 100 but no success. Found a couple of Mellors dying in India alright but the wrong forename and age. Also searched the shipboard deaths up to 1920 with similar results. Bit of a mystery!
Dickiesam

PS: Note to Northmeols... I have FindmyPast so if you let me know the Brazil birth and a rough date/decade you are looking for I'll have a go.

Post by **Kebs** » 11 Jul 2009 22:14

Hi Dickiesam

Many thanks for your time and help - me thinks that this will be another of my Mellor mystery's, don't you just love them.

Again many thanks
Kebs

Post by **Hilary** » 11 Jul 2009 22:45

I imagine that many deaths abroad at that time would not have been reported to the local consulate. At least you have got the death notice information from the newspaper. I think the India information from the British Library is still a work in progress so he may yet appear.

Ed Officer

Post by **Kebs** » 12 Jul 2009 11:18

I do hope so Ed - as it would be great to put closure on just one of them!!

Kebs

Post by **northmeols** » 12 Jul 2009 16:02

ok...here's the Balsillie saga.... John Balsillie b. Edinburgh. d. between 1988 and 1901 [not on 1901 C wife is Widow] m.11 apr 1882 L'pool spouse Phoebe Major b.1857 L'pool....John was a captain and Master Mariner, They lived in Scotland for a couple of years and then for some reason went to Brazil, [the company he sailed for may have had offices there] anyway..... Isabella Eleanor was born 14 mar 1883 in Scotland My GGAunt Phoebe May was born 1890 in Toxteth, L'pool.....it is Mary who was born in Brazil.. 1901 Census has her as being born abt 1886 any info you can find will be greatly appreciated.

Post by **Kebs** » 12 Jul 2009 18:27

Hi

You more then likely have the following:-

Marriage to Alcock 4Q 1912

Marriage to Croker 3Q 1923

Both on FreeBMD.

Kebs

Post by **dickiesam** » 12 Jul 2009 18:54

Hi Susan,
I searched the Consular and Marine Births Indices from 1884 to 1890 but didn't find a single Balsillie. Sorry!

So then I started to search the Consular and Marine Deaths for John Balsillie and almost immediately found these:

GRO CONSULAR DEATH INDICES (1886 - 1890)

Balsillie - John; Supt Registrar District = Rio Grande do Sul - Vol 8 - Page 195. And...
Balsillie - John M..jor; Same district Rio Grande do Sul - Vol 8 - Page 195.

I googled Rio Grande do Sul (it's Portuguese) and it is in the south east of Brazil. Lots of info on Wikepedia.

The word in my italics looks like 'Major' but is quite difficult to decipher. If you PM me with your email address I'll send you the page extract copy.

Given the relative rarity of the surname, (at least in Brazil!), these two people may be father and son, since Major was the mother's maiden name and I am thinking that John Major Balsillie is the son.

The info above is enough to order the death certs from the GRO. Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Dickiesam

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