Tracing a house in south Liverpool 1874

Post by **daggers** » 06 Jul 2009 09:19

A couple called Paul Hemelryk and his bride Caroline nee Hampshire were married in 1874 at SFX church, Everton. They are said by their family to have first lived in a house called The Elms, probably in the Grassendale/ Cressington area. Two daughters were baptised at St Austin's, 1878 and 1879.
The family later moved to Wavertree and later to Woolton/Gateacre.

Much is known about the family before and after this period, and the only question the family have is 'where was The Elms'?. A lot of digging has already been done, and the road opposite the north [Dingle] end of Aigburth Road has been ruled out. Can anyone here help, please? You don't often fail!
Daggers

Post by **Tina** » 06 Jul 2009 10:06

Hi Daggers
I can only find in 1873 Directory
Paul E.J cotton broker 21 Rodney St E
office Knowsley Bldgs 15 Tithebarn St.
He's the only entry for the surname.

Tina

Post by **daggers** » 06 Jul 2009 10:29

Tina
That's the same man. There were several of the family in the cotton business, originally from Holland [see 1901 census etc].
Why did they choose to get married, and possibly move, between censuses?! Very inconsiderate of them.

Thanks for the detail.
D

Post by **tonyhennessey1** » 06 Jul 2009 14:19

Hi Daggers
can't find The Elms anywhere. - I'll even volunteer to take a drive around in the area for you if no one else manages to find the place. (you're all my witnesses if I'm pulled for casing the joint or kerb-crawling

).

You probably already have this snippet but others may be interested in the bigwig whose house we are looking for.

192 THE CATHOLIC WHO'S WHO

Hemelryk, PAUL E. J., Order of the Rising Sun (4th class),
Consul for Japan at Liverpool, J.P. born 1840, son of
Paul Gerald Hemelryk, merchant, of Leyden,and descended
from a direct line of merchants dating from 1375; educated
at The Gymnasium, Boxmeer, and the Institut St Louis,
Mechlin; settled in Liverpool 1862 as cotton-broker; natura-
lized British subject 1867; has held the Commission of the
Peace for Liverpool from 1890, and is its premier Catholic
magistrate; President of Liverpool Council of Society of St
Vincent de Paul, his tenure of office having been marked
by an increase of one half in the number of conferences;
ex-Vice-Chairman of Liverpool Chamber of Commerce; ex-
Chairman Liverpool School of Commerce; Member of In-
ternational Commission for Promotion of Commercial
Education; represented Liverpool Chamber of Commerce
at International Educational Congress at Vienna 1899;
Member of the Japan Society; married (1874) Miss BERTHA
HAMPSHIRE, of Liverpool.

Tony

Post by **daggers** » 06 Jul 2009 14:35

Tony
Thanks for that interesting biog. I am floating the Hemelryk question on behalf of others who have failed to find the answer, but they have done lots of work on the family, finding all they wanted about Wavertree and Woolton/Gateacre residences.
I may have found the house among my own family's history - my gt-g/father was at 'The Elms, 16 Garston Old Road' according to the Post Office Directory of Lancashire dated 1873, but I do not think he was there long, as I have other addresses for him around that time. I shall have to look into the numbering of houses in that area at that time, as it probably all changed when Garston became part of the city.
Thanks again.
D

Post by **tonyhennessey1** » 06 Jul 2009 15:01

Hi Daggers
Garston Old Road - not quite Cressington but close enough.
added later - just looked on an older map and it goes right into Cressington so you must be spot on. What a coincidence that your family lived there too. Is that the residence from your recent posting 'Spooky'?

Tony

Post by **daggers** » 06 Jul 2009 16:35

No - spookiness lies in Beechwood Road - a different line of ghostly ancestors.
D

Post by **Tina** » 07 Jul 2009 01:06

Hi Daggers
In 1894 Directory 16 Garston Old Road
is missing...
No. 14 was Elmswood & No. 18 was Five Elms, Garston Local Board offices.
Paul is at Wavertree Lodge Mill Lane.

Tina

Post by **daggers** » 07 Jul 2009 07:31

Tina
Thanks for that - what a lot of Elms in one district, probably cut down long before the Dutch disease came over.
I think the family behind the request will have to make do with what we have, and I am sure they will be grateful for all the contributions.
D

Post by **Tina** » 07 Jul 2009 10:41

Hi Daggers
I think Colette and Jim have later Directories.
Perhaps pm them about the house?
Just a thought.

Tina