First time trying this out - fingers are crossed!
Thomas, above, and his wife Mary are my 3 x g.grandparents. Their daughter Margaret(ta) is my direct link. Trouble is I am unable to trace a marriage for them. I think I've looked at every reel in Warrington library without luck. Both being born and buried in Warrington and he working as a spinner would/could they have travelled far to marry?
Anyone got any ideas?
I'm also aware there is another Thomas Allen in Warrington around the same time but not a spinner and not with wife Mary.
Donna
Thomas Allen - Spinner of Warrington b1802 (ish)
Hi and welcome to the forum
I presume your Thomas Allen is the one on the 1851 in Warrington with wife Mary and daughter Margaret Holcroft and her husband.
Do you have the family on any other censuses?
Do you have the family on the 1841 census? (I can't find them)
Are there any more children?
Do you have baptisms for the children and if so where did they take place?
Mary may have come from somewhere outside Warrington to work and was married at her home village. Have you tried looking into Cheshire?
Sorry about the questions but the more information you give us the more we have to work on to try and help.
Ed Officer
I presume your Thomas Allen is the one on the 1851 in Warrington with wife Mary and daughter Margaret Holcroft and her husband.
Do you have the family on any other censuses?
Do you have the family on the 1841 census? (I can't find them)
Are there any more children?
Do you have baptisms for the children and if so where did they take place?
Mary may have come from somewhere outside Warrington to work and was married at her home village. Have you tried looking into Cheshire?
Sorry about the questions but the more information you give us the more we have to work on to try and help.
Ed Officer
Hi Ed Officer,
Thank you for your quick reply.
Sorry, bit vague wasn't I?
Yes that is the family. I have them in 1841 but both with wrong age (both 30). There is another child John 2 years or so older than Margaret. Both children were baptised at St Elphins and both parents give Warrington as their own place of birth (although I suppose this could be a lazy ditto by the enumerator)
Thomas died Jan 1861, buried at St Elphins and Mary went to live in Deansgate, Manchester with son John. She died after 1871 poss in 1880 and I think in Manchester.
I suppose I need to search slightly further afield for a marriage, like you said.
There is the link with Manchester and there is a marriage in Manchester in 1823 with a Mary but the parish records entry gives no clues. Both are 'of this parish' and Thomas is 'lawn maker'. Not sure about 'lawn' first letter looks like a squashed back to front capital C and 2nd letter could also be 'o'. So not sure there.
Was hoping there may have been some other Warrington Allens out there or maybe some other place marriages may have been logged.
Thanks for the interest.
Donna
(think I have replied in right box but not too sure!)
Thank you for your quick reply.
Sorry, bit vague wasn't I?
Yes that is the family. I have them in 1841 but both with wrong age (both 30). There is another child John 2 years or so older than Margaret. Both children were baptised at St Elphins and both parents give Warrington as their own place of birth (although I suppose this could be a lazy ditto by the enumerator)
Thomas died Jan 1861, buried at St Elphins and Mary went to live in Deansgate, Manchester with son John. She died after 1871 poss in 1880 and I think in Manchester.
I suppose I need to search slightly further afield for a marriage, like you said.
There is the link with Manchester and there is a marriage in Manchester in 1823 with a Mary but the parish records entry gives no clues. Both are 'of this parish' and Thomas is 'lawn maker'. Not sure about 'lawn' first letter looks like a squashed back to front capital C and 2nd letter could also be 'o'. So not sure there.
Was hoping there may have been some other Warrington Allens out there or maybe some other place marriages may have been logged.
Thanks for the interest.
Donna
(think I have replied in right box but not too sure!)
Hi Donna
Welcome aboard.
Lawn maker.
When my daughter was born with severe skin problems 36 yrs ago, I was told to get her cotton lawn nappies.
I had to order them from England. No disposables & no rubber pants.
The fabric was beautiful, so fine.
Probably of no help but just thought I'd mention it!!
Mary born 1802 and 1804 Warrington in census. Doesn't help finding her death in the Manchester area.
All the best Donna
Tina
Welcome aboard.
Lawn maker.
When my daughter was born with severe skin problems 36 yrs ago, I was told to get her cotton lawn nappies.
I had to order them from England. No disposables & no rubber pants.
The fabric was beautiful, so fine.
Probably of no help but just thought I'd mention it!!
Mary born 1802 and 1804 Warrington in census. Doesn't help finding her death in the Manchester area.
All the best Donna
Tina
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Cornthwaite,Milburn,Coll,Gaffney,Pearce,Singleton,Hazlehurst,Cuthbert,Mackintosh,McAllister,Morana, Corfield
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I have checked my CD which does cover some of Cheshire as well as Lancashire, but with no luck sorry.
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Hi everyone
Mary Allen is 67 in 1871 census
a lodger in Deansgate
daughter Mary 19 son John 22.Children born late in life?
Have you 1861 census?
Tina
Mary Allen is 67 in 1871 census
a lodger in Deansgate
daughter Mary 19 son John 22.Children born late in life?
Have you 1861 census?
Tina
- Tina
Cornthwaite,Milburn,Coll,Gaffney,Pearce,Singleton,Hazlehurst,Cuthbert,Mackintosh,McAllister,Morana, Corfield
Any census/bmd information within this post is Crown Copyright from http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/
Hi all,
Very many thanks for the help.
Mary - thanks for looking up.
Tina - never thought about the 'lawn' relating to cotton, and I had heard of it years ago but only recalled it after you'd mentioned it. So this may be my Thomas. Still not sure though.
Yes I have 1861 and 1871 census. In 1861 she is with son John (b1826ish)in Deansgate and in 1871 same place with 'son' john b1849 and 'daughter' Mary b1852. I'm pretty sure these 'children' should be shown as grandchildren, possibly John senior's children. Otherwise it would mean she had an 18 year gap between children and 2 living 'sons' in 1861 both called John although not sure where they're living.
Think I need to get back and track all these Allens in the census' and gather some death certs. That may help. Although still don't know of Mary's origins.
Hey ho!
Thanks again
Donna
Very many thanks for the help.
Mary - thanks for looking up.
Tina - never thought about the 'lawn' relating to cotton, and I had heard of it years ago but only recalled it after you'd mentioned it. So this may be my Thomas. Still not sure though.
Yes I have 1861 and 1871 census. In 1861 she is with son John (b1826ish)in Deansgate and in 1871 same place with 'son' john b1849 and 'daughter' Mary b1852. I'm pretty sure these 'children' should be shown as grandchildren, possibly John senior's children. Otherwise it would mean she had an 18 year gap between children and 2 living 'sons' in 1861 both called John although not sure where they're living.
Think I need to get back and track all these Allens in the census' and gather some death certs. That may help. Although still don't know of Mary's origins.
Hey ho!
Thanks again
Donna