Norval Marley -another street address look up.

[Dominex]

Just adding these incase there's a clue anywhere, Marleys from Jamaica

Name: Robert Arie Marley ( says Cecil on page )
Birth: abt 1909
Age: 22
Departure: Kingston, Jamaica
Arrival: 15 Sep 1931
Arrival: Bristol, England
Ship Name: Carare
Occupation: Articled Clerk?
Proposed Uk address: Hamilton House, 28 Crockerton Rd, Upper Tooting SW17
Country of last permanent address: Jamaica
Intended future permanent residence: Other parts of the British Empire


Name: Robert Cecil Marley
Age: 29
Departure: Jamaica
Arrival: 23 May 1939
Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Kingston and Port Antonio
Ship Name: Jamaica Planter
Occupation: Solicitor
Wife: Dorothy Thelma Marley
Proposed address in the UK: 48 Lancaster Gate W2
Country of last permanent residence: Jamaica
Intended future permanent residence: Other parts of the British Empire


Name: Robert Cecil Marley
Birth Date: 20 Jun 1909
Departure: Port Antonio, Jamaica
Arrival : 3 Jul 1956
Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Port Antonio
Ship Name: Tortuguero
Occupation: Solicitor
Wife: Dorothy Thelma Marley
Address in UK: 24 Kensington Park Gardens London
Citizenship: British-Jamaica
Country of intended permanent residence: Jamaica
Duration of time in UK: 3 months for visiting


Name: Robert Marley
Birth: 15 Aug 1936
Departure: Kingston, Jamaica
Arrival : 22 Apr 1955
Arrival: Bristol, England
Ports of Voyage: Kingston and Port Antonio
Ship Name: Bayano
Student
Address in the UK: c/ Pound? Ass.Co. London EC1

Name: Capt Marley
Departure: Kingston, Jamaica
Arrival: 10 Apr 1908
Arrival: Bristol, England
Ports of Voyage: Kingston
Ship Name: Port Henderson
No real info on pages

Name: Capt Marley
Departure: Kingston, Jamaica
Arrival : 10 Apr 1907
Port of Arrival: Bristol, England
Ports of Voyage: Kingston
Ship Name: Port Royal
No real info on pages

Name: Albert N Marley
Age: 22
Departure: Kingston, Jamaica
Arrival: 2 Oct 1934
Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Kingston and Rotterdam
Ship Name: Jamaica Merchant
Also Henry G N Marley aged 24
Both Students
Address in UK: 28 Crockerton Rd SW 17

Name: Henry G N Marley
Birth: 25 Dec 1910
Age: 45
Departure: Port Antonio, Jamaica
Arrival : 7 May 1956
Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Port Antonio
Ship Name: Reventazon
Wife: Margaret L Marley
Occupation: Engineer
Address in UK: Old St James House, 7 Park Place, London SW1
Intended Duration: 3 months

Name: John Marley
Age: 37
Departure: Kingston, Jamaica
Arrival: 7 Dec 1955
Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Kingston, San Juan, Plymouth, Basseterre, Castries and Bridgetown
Ship Name: Ascania
Address in UK: 39 Charlotte Rd, Edgebaston, Birmingham
Occupation: Carpenter

Sue

[MaryA]

Good thinking to add to this thread with the new database. Hope something useful comes from it.

[Dominex]

I'm guessing that because Proposed Uk address: Hamilton House, 28 Crockerton Rd, Upper Tooting SW17 keeps popping up, could this have been some sort of Embassy, or maybe an owned holiday home in London, or just where some rellies lived.

I was hoping to find this MP, because if he came from Jamaica to the Uk, then he should be on a list somewhere. Also if the Marleys were visiting in London, then hopefully it was rellies they were visiting, which means they had to be in/from the London area.

Sue

[Dominex]

Here we go
1901 census. It has to be the Essex lot!!!

30, The Grove. Wandsworth

Name: George Marley
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Head
Mother's Name: Miriam I think this is a totally different family living at the same address.
Gender: Male
Where born: Brentwood, Middlesex, England Brentwood is Essex, and it says Essex on the actual page!
Occupation: Butcher
Civil Parish: Wandsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Anne
County/Island: London
Country: England
Jane Handing 42
Charles Harrison 14
Grace Harrison 18
Miriam Harrison 43
William Harrison 16
Ada Marley 10 Tooting
Emily Marley 13 Earlsfield
Frederich Marley 21 Brentwood. Insurance agent
George Marley 22 Brentwood. Butcher
Margaret Marley 20 Brentwood
Robert Marley 19 Forest Gate, Essex. Boot repairer

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 486; Folio: 83; Page: 6

Crockerton Rd is classed as being Wandsworth.

Sue

[Dominex]

So is it INDEED Albert Thomas Marley that initially went to Jamaica and married Ellen? And has been mistranscribed as Robert?

Could Albert and Henry, on the passenger lists be nephews of Norval? Robert's children?

1861 reminder of the names of the siblings

Agnes Kate Marley 4
Albert Thos Marley 9
Frank Willey Marley 3
Frederick Marley 41
Frederick Geo Marley 16
Hannah Jane Marley 38
Hannah Jane Marley 12
Henry Tiltman Marley 1
Lizze Marley 4 Mo
Norvel Ricks Marley 14

Robert wasn't born till c1882

Sue

[Dominex]

Just also to quote from elsewhere

Second Generation

3. Norval Richard Marley (Frederick) was born in Mar 1847 in Great Warley, Essex,
England.

Norval married Caroline in Sep 1875 in Maldon, Essex, England. Caroline was born in 1854 in Battle, Surrey, England.

They had the following children:

13 F i. Herbert Marley was born in 1876 in Battle, Surrey, England.

5. Albert Thomas Marley (Frederick) was born in 1851 in South Weald, Essex, England. He died on 1 Feb 1885 in Colon, Panama.

Albert married Ellen Bloomfield . Ellen was born in 1854. She died on 25 Oct 1952 in St. Andrew, Jamaica.

They had the following children:

+ 14 M i. Robert A Marley was born about 1878. He died on 15 May 1938.

+ 15 M ii. Norval Sinclair Marley was born about 1881. He died in 1962.

[Tina]

A pat on the back Sue
Wonderful info
Tina x

[Dominex]

Ty Tina and Mary,

I just have a gut feeling about the Essex lot. If Norval just stayed in hotels in Liverpool, rather than at a rellie's or friend's house, then I don't think there's a direct link there with relatives, unless he did father a child in the area, and stayed to visit.

Sue

[chrisFL33324]

Thanks lots Sue,

Robert Cecil Marley is my uncle, so is Henry George Marley , Albert N. Marley would be my father Norval Albert St. Clair Marley, the youngest of the 3 brothers.
The trips in the 1930,s would be them going to study in the UK.
The later trips in the 1950's were most likely vacation and cricket test
matches as Robert Cecil was the head of the West Indies cricket board of selectors.
28 Crockerton Rd. might have been an aunt Rose Walker that they stayed with.
She was the only relative that my father mentioned them having contact with in the UK.
Can 28 Crockerton Rd be checked for residents at the time ?

I don't think the John Marley is ours.

We still have the conflict of copies of hand written certificates:

Marriage of Robert Marley* ' full age' and Ellen Ann Bloomfield, 18 years,
at Chapelton, Clarendon, Jamaica, on 10th September 1876.

with :

Marriage -4th June 1908 Robert Marley ( son of Ellen Bloomfield )
age 30, Father- Albert Thomas Marley to Helena Maude Walker age 26,
Father- Henry Walker, St Andrew. Jamaica


*The 19 year old Robert Marley Essex boot repairer was born in 1882.


I'll try to spend some more time on this in the next few days. Really appreciate all your work.

[cornes]

As a Rasta rude bwoy Bob would have much enjoyed the irony that his ancestor Staff Sgt Fred Marley 1820-87 was the youngest child of Thomas Marley 1776-1844 superintendant of Rye Gaol

The Marleys were a long established family in Rye
- Fred's wife Hannah Jane Tiltman 1824-99 was the daughter of a Trinit House pilot there

Fred's elder brothers were
- Wm Geo 1800-80 innkeeper of The Bell at Iden
- ?John 1801-73 an unmarried ostler who ended up in Rye Workhouse
- Thomas 1804-41+ a waiter(that is to say a customs officer)in Canterbury
- Charles 1812-99 a seaman in Rye
- Alfred 1814-81 a waiter in Rye who ended up as innkeper of The John Barleymow Rolvenden
- Geo Sims 1817-76 a timber merchant in Maidstone

Fred left Rye to join the East India Co's Artillery and lived in their barracks at Little Warley near Brentwood
His third son Albert Thomas 1851-85 was a carpenter at home in 1871
but then went to Jamaica where I think he married Ellen Ann? Bloomfield on 10 Sept 1876
Here I am guessing that Mr R Marley who arrived in Jamaica from Liverpool per Californian in Jan 1872 and Robert Marley(white of full age) who appears on the 1876 marriage cert is Albert Thomas 1851-85
It seems a pretty good guess,but I cannot explain it
Why was Albert Thomas in Jamaica ?
I very much doubt that it was to buy wood for his uncle George Sims
His uncle's timber business in Maidstone was small and his sons ended up as clerks to a timber merchant there
Is there a 1881 Census for Jamaica and does it show what Albert Thomas doing in Jamaica ?
In 1885 he died in Panama presumably working for the French on the Panama Canal
Presumably he was in Jamaica at(or to be accurate,9 months before)the birth of his 2 sons,namely Robt A 1878-1938 and "Captain" Norval Sinclair

Robt A(does the A stand for Arie?)was "a well known rum merchant" in Kingston
Does Chris know more of his business ?
Capt Norval Sinclair may well have been born posthumously in 1886
When he arrived in Liverpool from Nigeria in 1921 and again in 1923,
he gave his age indicating a birth around 1886#
He seems to have used the title of Captain from 1907 at least
- was this a sea captain ?
In 1916 he enlisted in Liverpool as a private in the Labour Corps
but does not seem to have gone to France
Am I right in thinking that he died in 1955 when Bob was aged 10 ?
He married Ciddy in 1944,but did he have any other children apart from Bob ?
Bob's wife Rita once met a Constance Marley who claimed to be Norval's daughter
Was this true and if so,what is known of Constance ?

Robt A and Norval Sinclair were brought up by the Bloomfields
Their mother Ellen Bloomfield 1854-1952 had a younger brother Hugh Alex Coskery Bloomfield 1865-97+ whose 1897 marraiage was witnessed by R Marley
Robt A seema a bit too young in 1897 to be a witness
- could it have been Mrs R(ie Ellen herself) ?
Ellen(daughter of Richard Bloomfield)is described as coloured on her 1876 marriage cert
What is known of this family ?

Many thanks for any information

[big g]

Jan,

There is a Markfield Rd., off Knowsley Rd.

Could the address have been mistranscribed?

Glenys

[jan44]

I have not been getting notified of replies to this thread, but I have found Norval Marley service papers on the anc site.

Reg No 192250 Pte Norval Marley joined 14/8/16 Liverpool occupation Engineer, usual address 31 Lord Nelson Street Liverpool.

Unit and Corps 393 H.S Coy Labour.

He did go to Bootle (Stanley Hall) for medical treatment.

Jan

[jan44]

Had a look in the 1914 directory and 31 Lord Nelson St was The Temperence Hotel!


Jan

[jan44]

I also found this bit of info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedella_Booker

Jan