richard hughes liverpool

[kathleen]

I am looking for information on richard hughes.born i think in 1894,
i know he had 2 sons richard born in 1918 and francis born?
dont know anymore,would like to get the married cert
. any information would be appeciated.
thank you kathleen.

[HOLLY]

Hi Kathleen, Not too experienced at helping but I like to have a go and the experienced members will correct me if I'm wrong, but here is what I found -Free Bmd have a marriage Dec 1916 West Derby to Emma Wivell, Cert ref. 8b 711. On Lancs BMD the same marriage which is Registrar attended which means either Registry Office or R.C - Hope that helps - Holly ....

[HOLLY]

Me again, the super sleuthers must be out! Francis R. Hughes, born June 1920, ref 8b 770 - assuming mother is Wivell - Holly

[HOLLY]

Richard J hughes, born 1916 to Emma Wivell

Hope these fit in with your information. Holly

[northmeols]

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Dec 1917

Hughes Sybil Wivell W.Derby 8b 662

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Births Jun 1920

Hughes Francis R Wivell W. Derby 8b 770

[Tina]

Well done Holly for holding the fort!!
1911 has the Wivells, Emma is 21 W Dby rego
including sister Sybil 19. (1901 in Kirkdale)
Emma born 1890 which may help when searching for Richard.
Can't see father Alexander.

TTFN
Tina

Welcome aboard Kathleen!

[HOLLY]

Hi Tina and thank you for your warm wishes - It was indeed no easy task taking on board the genie board while everyone was out and about - now I'm shaking in my shoes to discover whether Wivell is the right connection - fingers crossed ..... Holly..........

[kathleen]

dear holly thank you so much for all your help.but dont think thats my richard hughes.
can i tell you all i know,i am looking for richard hughes born about 1893.
trying to find out who he married and when.
they had two sons frank born 1915 and richard born 1918.

frank was killed 6th of june 1944 at the d day landings.richard died 1982.
we think mother died soon after son richard born.
plese dont feel bad getting the wrong one i am very gratefull for your time and help.kathleen
thank you all .

[Tina]

Hi Holly
You did well with info given
We now know Francis/Frank's approx birth year.
There are 3 births
Francis 2qtr 1916
Richard 3rd qtr 1917
Elizabeth 2nd qtr 1920
all maiden Fincher.

Marr Lancs BMD Richard Hughes to Harriet Fincher
1915 W Dby R.O or registrar attended.

Looks like a match Kathleen?

Cheers
Tina

[MaryA]

Well done Holly and Susan for what seemed to be a good bit of work.

Hello Kathleen and welcome to the forum.

I'm afraid we will need a little more information from you, the very minimum is when and where Richard died in 1982 as the entry in the indexes will give his date of birth - or at least the date of birth believed to be correct by the person who registered the death.

As we are talking as recently as 1982 are there any descendants of Richard who have the accurate details? we would really like to know the month with a name like Hughes, and whether he had a middle name, or know where in the country he was born, we could easily be looking in Liverpool when we should be looking in Wales or anywhere.

Where have you got the date of birth of the older Richard from? I notice that originally you thought 1894 and later 1893, so you don't appear to be too sure.

[MaryA]

Nice one Tina! If Kathleen confirms this she will need to obtain the marriage certificate to confirm the details - age, occupation, address etc. of Richard and also his father's occupation.

Harriet Fincher married Richard Hughes Q2 1915 West Derby 8b 970

These are the details you will need to order the certificate online - easiest way is through the GRO. http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

The alternative is that if you think they were married in a RC church - and if you can be positive about which one, then you could request a look up if anybody is visiting the Record Office and is willing to do one for you.

[kathleen]

dear mary ,
richard(1918) was my brother in law but 20 years older,im doing this for my niece his daughter.
he died end aug 1982.he had no middle name and was born in liverpool lived in shaw street kirkdale. as for richard sr dont know anything.
have got a good feeling about harriet fincher will give that a try and let u know.ps what is Q2.
I THINK YOU ARE ALL BRILLIANT.
THANK-YOU ALL AGAIN.kathleen

[MaryA]

Firstly to answer the question Q2 = Quarter 2 ie April-May-Jun. That is how the indexes are organised.

So if he died at the end of August 1982 then his death SHOULD have been registered in Q3 - July-August-September of that year, at the latest in Q4 if there was a problem.

So to make sure, I checked Q4 and there were no Richards without a middle name, nor one who died in the Liverpool area. So back to the expected date of Q3 and there is

Richard Hughes District Liverpool Vol 36 Page 0990
This also gives me a date of birth of 6 No 1917.

Do you know from his daughter whether this was his correct birthday?

If so, then the Richard that Tina found above, registered in Q3 can't be the correct one since he wasn't born then.

Well Tina has crossed fingers!! I've just searched for a birth for Richard in the Q4 1917 and discovered the one with the mother's name Fincher! So I think she's just muddled it up.

If you decided you wanted to order the birth certificate then the reference would be Q4 1917 Liverpool 8b 94, but I don't think you do, I suspect that this confirms mother Harriet Fincher, the details you now have for the marriage to get the certificate.

[HOLLY]

Hi Kathleen, sorry to have fed you false information, so close with Richard and Francis - thought I'd cracked it! I'm so pleased the super sleuthers have put you on the right track, as for me back to the knitting !!

Thanks to Marya, Tina and Susan for helping me out

Holly

[kathleen]

to day i sent for the marriage certificat for richard hughes and harriet
fincher.so thanks agin marya,tina,susan and holly.i will let you know how i get on.kathleen
PS Holly no knitting your country needs you.

[kathleen]

hi just received richard married cert, thanks to all your help but in the fathers name there is a line across and no name or profession.so please what is that all about.thanks kathleen

[MaryA]

Unfortunately this would indicate that Richard was illegitimate and he probably had no idea who his father was. It's likely your searching down his paternal line has come to an end here.

If you could give the other details from the certificate, his age, occupation, witnesses etc. we could try to find a match in the 1901 census and work on his mother's side of the family.

[kathleen]

thanks marya that would be great, age 25,occupation,distillery labourer,
witness, t mc guire and m mc guire. thanks agan kathleen

[MaryA]

He's not making it easy, sorry, the only real clue is his age and I have to admit that he could have given the wrong age.

Assuming that his age was accurate there are a number of possibles in the 1901 census - one in the District St Vincent's Boys Home, Fulwood, and another in the West Derby Union Cottage Homes, Fazakerley and another in the District Liverpool School Board Truants School, all of them 10, 9 or 11. Also one noted as nephew to music teacher Charlotte E Coleman in Toxteth Park.

Is there any chance that you could ask his granddaughter if she has any memories of anything he said, especially his mother's name, even the first name?

[kathleen]

hi marya.just read your email. my sister, niece,and me all met up at her house on a saturday night and drink are guinness. so i will asked her then .but dont think she has any memories of him.thank you agan kathleen
ps marya, just looking at the married cert and the lady he married harriet fincher. had no profession why ?