I ahve details of a marriage between Elizabeth Hankin and James Parr on 10 May 1824, at St peter's Chrusch Street, but Iwas wondering if anyone can help me in that- are there details of the parents of said people.
I am trying to work my way back from Elizabeth and James - but can't find details of ancestors.
Marriage look up please - Elizabeth Hankin-James Parr 1824
Prior to 1837 the father's name wasn't given in the marriage register. You may find which parish they lived in and their occupations, and if lucky the witnesses may be relations or friends.
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Hi
find my past has the marriage as they have St Peters Marriages for the time frame you need..
PARR James 1824 Lancashire Liverpool Marriages 8 credits VIEW
As Mary says it may give James's occupation and maybe a witness if lucky
Regards
find my past has the marriage as they have St Peters Marriages for the time frame you need..
PARR James 1824 Lancashire Liverpool Marriages 8 credits VIEW
As Mary says it may give James's occupation and maybe a witness if lucky
Regards
ColB mem 7724
Parr
Hi
Just wondering if your James Parr remarried another Elizabeth..
Marriage: 24 Sep 1832 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
James Parr - Joiner of This Parish
Elizabeth Brownbill - (X), Spinster of This Parish
Witness: Mary Pinnington, (X); William Turton
Married by Banns by: Jno. Robinson, Ast Curate
Register: Marriages 1831 - 1833, Page 310, Entry 930
Source: LDS Film 93919
Just wondered incase you had found James with an Elizabeth in 1841 and incase she was a different Elizabeth to the one he married in 1824.
Was James still living in 1841 if so where ??
Regards
Just wondering if your James Parr remarried another Elizabeth..
Marriage: 24 Sep 1832 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
James Parr - Joiner of This Parish
Elizabeth Brownbill - (X), Spinster of This Parish
Witness: Mary Pinnington, (X); William Turton
Married by Banns by: Jno. Robinson, Ast Curate
Register: Marriages 1831 - 1833, Page 310, Entry 930
Source: LDS Film 93919
Just wondered incase you had found James with an Elizabeth in 1841 and incase she was a different Elizabeth to the one he married in 1824.
Was James still living in 1841 if so where ??
Regards
ColB mem 7724
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ianj4
Cheers I saw this marriage- Yes James was alive in 1841 and living in Litherland/Sefton. I have checked the St Helens lists but can't find a burial for an Elizabeth Parr at that time
I have taken a bit of a "leap of faith" - Checking through the 1841 register I come across two Parrs in ltherland born at a time that would be commensurate as brothers - William (1802) and James (1804) - Through LDS and a marriage between him and an Agness ???? in 1830 in St Anne Richmonds, Ihave found that William's parents were a William Parr and Elizabeth Pye.
On the basis that James named his first child William and that both of them ended up as Joiners/ builders I wonder if this is a family business and indicates a family relationship.
- what do you think? am I pushing it?
I have tried checking online to see if I can find out the surname of the Agness but without joy
I have taken a bit of a "leap of faith" - Checking through the 1841 register I come across two Parrs in ltherland born at a time that would be commensurate as brothers - William (1802) and James (1804) - Through LDS and a marriage between him and an Agness ???? in 1830 in St Anne Richmonds, Ihave found that William's parents were a William Parr and Elizabeth Pye.
On the basis that James named his first child William and that both of them ended up as Joiners/ builders I wonder if this is a family business and indicates a family relationship.
- what do you think? am I pushing it?
I have tried checking online to see if I can find out the surname of the Agness but without joy
I think I can help you a bit here as these Parrs intertwine with my Ambroses. The church you need for more information on baptisms burials etc is St Helens Sefton. My inof is that
William Parr 1761 - 1841 married Elizabeth Pye
They had
Alice Parr 1787 she married a Baldwin
Catherine Parr 1789 - 1848 she married H Williamson. Their son Thomas married Mary Ambrose
Ellen Parr 1790 - 1849 married T German
Elizabeth Parr 179? - 1848 married Thomas Ambrose he died and she married John Garner
William Parr 1801 - 1871 married Agnes Parr at St Anne's Richmond (he is of the parish of Sephton) had a son James who went to New Zealand
James Parr 1803 - 1847 married Elizabeth Hamlin or Hankin
They had William Parr 1827-1863 who married Sarah and they had
Cecelia 1846
James 1847
Sarah 1851
Alice 1853
Margaret 1856
Jane 1858
Joseph 1860
Sefton church registers are at Lancashire Record Office. There are some transcripts etc at Crosby library. I think you will need to look at them to fill in the dates. The church itself is very beautiful and peaceful. there are lots of Parrs in the graveyard. Crosby library has a book of burials there.
Hope this helps. It certainly proves your theory is correct. I don't have anymore definite dates except for when people marry Ambroses which I could give you.
Ed Officer
William Parr 1761 - 1841 married Elizabeth Pye
They had
Alice Parr 1787 she married a Baldwin
Catherine Parr 1789 - 1848 she married H Williamson. Their son Thomas married Mary Ambrose
Ellen Parr 1790 - 1849 married T German
Elizabeth Parr 179? - 1848 married Thomas Ambrose he died and she married John Garner
William Parr 1801 - 1871 married Agnes Parr at St Anne's Richmond (he is of the parish of Sephton) had a son James who went to New Zealand
James Parr 1803 - 1847 married Elizabeth Hamlin or Hankin
They had William Parr 1827-1863 who married Sarah and they had
Cecelia 1846
James 1847
Sarah 1851
Alice 1853
Margaret 1856
Jane 1858
Joseph 1860
Sefton church registers are at Lancashire Record Office. There are some transcripts etc at Crosby library. I think you will need to look at them to fill in the dates. The church itself is very beautiful and peaceful. there are lots of Parrs in the graveyard. Crosby library has a book of burials there.
Hope this helps. It certainly proves your theory is correct. I don't have anymore definite dates except for when people marry Ambroses which I could give you.
Ed Officer
FRom BVRI
Christenings at St Helen Sephton (only up to 1803)
Children of William and Elizabeth Parr
Alice 23 March 1787
Katherine 5 July 1789
Ellen 17 Oct 1790
Margaret 12 May 1793
William 17 January 1802
Their daughter Elizabeth was supposedly born in 1783 but on anpother thing she was born in the 1890's so I don't know!. The last son John would have been christened when the Parish records are a bit iffy for abut 5 years!!
there is a gap in their christenings start again in 1808
Children of James and Elizabeth Parr (don't know if they're all yours!!)
Margaret 5 September 1824
William 6 November 1825
William 7 January 1827
Margaret 12 MAy 1829
Thomas 10 October 1830
John 17 March 1833
Elizabeth 17 March 1833
Alice 30 october 1836
James 15 March 1835
Margaret 12 september 1841
Jane 18 June 1843
George 16 Movember 1845
Sarah 20 Jun 1847
Christenings at St Helen Sephton (only up to 1803)
Children of William and Elizabeth Parr
Alice 23 March 1787
Katherine 5 July 1789
Ellen 17 Oct 1790
Margaret 12 May 1793
William 17 January 1802
Their daughter Elizabeth was supposedly born in 1783 but on anpother thing she was born in the 1890's so I don't know!. The last son John would have been christened when the Parish records are a bit iffy for abut 5 years!!
there is a gap in their christenings start again in 1808
Children of James and Elizabeth Parr (don't know if they're all yours!!)
Margaret 5 September 1824
William 6 November 1825
William 7 January 1827
Margaret 12 MAy 1829
Thomas 10 October 1830
John 17 March 1833
Elizabeth 17 March 1833
Alice 30 october 1836
James 15 March 1835
Margaret 12 september 1841
Jane 18 June 1843
George 16 Movember 1845
Sarah 20 Jun 1847
Also from BVRI
William Parr married Elizabeth Parr on 6 feb 1786 at St Mary Walton on the Hill
Therefore I definitely don't think the daughter Elizabeth was born 1783 I think it would have been later unless she was born before marriage!!
William Parr married Agnes Parr on 11 January 1830 at St Annes
Ed officer
William Parr married Elizabeth Parr on 6 feb 1786 at St Mary Walton on the Hill
Therefore I definitely don't think the daughter Elizabeth was born 1783 I think it would have been later unless she was born before marriage!!
William Parr married Agnes Parr on 11 January 1830 at St Annes
Ed officer
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ianj4
Thanks for all this- There certainly appears to be quite a bit of intertwining between the families- Parr Ledson and Ambrose.
What I have difficulty wih is considering how successful the Parr family appear to have been with William a joner and his brother a builder- James who married Elizabeth Hankin had a very successful business - then within two generations you end up with James Parr ( b 1847) son of William Parr and Sarah Ledosn as a menial worker in the gas works in Litherland
Also, So Agness was a Parr as well was she?
What I have difficulty wih is considering how successful the Parr family appear to have been with William a joner and his brother a builder- James who married Elizabeth Hankin had a very successful business - then within two generations you end up with James Parr ( b 1847) son of William Parr and Sarah Ledosn as a menial worker in the gas works in Litherland
Also, So Agness was a Parr as well was she?
Parr/Hankin
Hi
Marriage 11th Aug 1830 St Annes William Parr of Litherland to Agnes Parr eldest daughter of Mr James Parr Publican Bath.
Taken from Liverpool Mercury.
I think you can claim William Parr & Elizabeth Pye as James Parents..
On to Elizabeth Hankin..
John Hankin - Margaret Spencer marriage St Peter 1802
Children..
Jane Hankin - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Female Christening: 18 OCT 1812 Seaforth, Lancashire, England [Remove]
2. Peter Hankin - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Male Christening: 22 MAY 1807 Great Crosby, Lancashire, England [Remove]
3. Margaret Hankin - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Female Christening: 14 JUL 1822 Litherland, Lancashire, England [Remove]
4. Eleanor Hankin - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Female Birth: 17 JAN 1828 Great Crosby, Lancashire, England [Remove]
5. Margaret Hankin - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Female Birth: 26 APR 1822 Great Crosby, Lancashire, England [Remove]
6. Sarah Hankin - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Female Christening: 09 JAN 1831 Great Crosby, Lancashire, England [Remove]
7. William Hankin - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Male Christening: 29 JAN 1804 Great Crosby, Lancashire, England [Remove]
8. Ann Hankin - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Female Christening: 03 JUL 1808 Seaforth, Lancashire, England [Remove]
9. Elizabeth Hankin - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Female Christening: 23 JUN 1805 Great Crosby, Lancashire, England [Remove]
10. Ann Hankin - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Female Christening: 03 JUL 1808 Great Crosby, Lancashire, England [Remove]
11. John Hankin - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Male Christening: 18 AUG 1816 Great Crosby, Lancashire, England [Remove]
1841 Census Litherland
John Hankin age 60 Bricklayer b 1781
Margaret age 55 b 1786
Margaret age 15
Eleanor age 13
Sarah age 10
If Margaret was born in 1786 by 1830, she would be 45ish when she had last child Sarah..so it works out she was 16 when she married John Hankin
James & Elizabeth do have a John and also also a Margaret....
Regards
Marriage 11th Aug 1830 St Annes William Parr of Litherland to Agnes Parr eldest daughter of Mr James Parr Publican Bath.
Taken from Liverpool Mercury.
I think you can claim William Parr & Elizabeth Pye as James Parents..
On to Elizabeth Hankin..
John Hankin - Margaret Spencer marriage St Peter 1802
Children..
Jane Hankin - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Female Christening: 18 OCT 1812 Seaforth, Lancashire, England [Remove]
2. Peter Hankin - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Male Christening: 22 MAY 1807 Great Crosby, Lancashire, England [Remove]
3. Margaret Hankin - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Female Christening: 14 JUL 1822 Litherland, Lancashire, England [Remove]
4. Eleanor Hankin - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Female Birth: 17 JAN 1828 Great Crosby, Lancashire, England [Remove]
5. Margaret Hankin - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Female Birth: 26 APR 1822 Great Crosby, Lancashire, England [Remove]
6. Sarah Hankin - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Female Christening: 09 JAN 1831 Great Crosby, Lancashire, England [Remove]
7. William Hankin - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Male Christening: 29 JAN 1804 Great Crosby, Lancashire, England [Remove]
8. Ann Hankin - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Female Christening: 03 JUL 1808 Seaforth, Lancashire, England [Remove]
9. Elizabeth Hankin - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Female Christening: 23 JUN 1805 Great Crosby, Lancashire, England [Remove]
10. Ann Hankin - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Female Christening: 03 JUL 1808 Great Crosby, Lancashire, England [Remove]
11. John Hankin - International Genealogical Index - British Isles
Gender: Male Christening: 18 AUG 1816 Great Crosby, Lancashire, England [Remove]
1841 Census Litherland
John Hankin age 60 Bricklayer b 1781
Margaret age 55 b 1786
Margaret age 15
Eleanor age 13
Sarah age 10
If Margaret was born in 1786 by 1830, she would be 45ish when she had last child Sarah..so it works out she was 16 when she married John Hankin
James & Elizabeth do have a John and also also a Margaret....
Regards
ColB mem 7724
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ianj4
Cheers, this is excellent - It has helkped me take that branch back quite a bit.
My mother always told me that she had been told by her grandma that they were related to
1. Catherine Parr wife of Henry VIII
2. President Grant
I have already had to explain that the connection with Ulysses Grant is tenous, as our Grant Ancestors arrived in Liverpool from Ireland early 1800s. Grants father was born in 1792 in the USA so, any common ancestor would have left Ireland before then - trying to make the connection therefore would be difficult.
and I seriously doubt the first one!
My mother always told me that she had been told by her grandma that they were related to
1. Catherine Parr wife of Henry VIII
2. President Grant
I have already had to explain that the connection with Ulysses Grant is tenous, as our Grant Ancestors arrived in Liverpool from Ireland early 1800s. Grants father was born in 1792 in the USA so, any common ancestor would have left Ireland before then - trying to make the connection therefore would be difficult.
and I seriously doubt the first one!