Marriage, Birth, Surname Puzzle,

Post by **mumov04** » 03 Apr 2009 00:30

Can any one help with a little puzzle? I was looking for a marriage for a Peter Longton to a Janet for the approx' year of 1924 in Lancashire. I checked the Lancashire BMD to no avail. Their son Peter Longton was born abt 1924. Having checked for a birth for him I found that his birth registration was

Sep 1923
Longton Peter Mothers maiden name Sutherland W.Derby (Western), Vol: 8b, Page: 1040

Also on the same page is

Kerr Peter Mothers maiden name Sutherland W.Derby (Western), Vol: 8b, Page: 1040.

I then searched for a marriage and found that a marriage for Peter was showing as
Marriages Mar 1927
LONGTON Peter Janet D KERR Liverpool 8b 171
LONGTON Peter Janest D SUTHERLAND Liverpool 8b 171.

Can anyone help, with working this little enigma out, I am told that Janet was born in America, circa 1880. This is a query for a friend.

Thank you.

Post by **doreen** » 03 Apr 2009 02:09

Two Marriages for Janet !!! .

1914 Dec Qtr
Janet D Sutherland to Norman M Kerr .
Toxteth Park, Vol 8b Page 361 .

This is also showing on Lancashire BMD, no church - Toxteth Park, Register Office or Registra attended .

Havent found a death in Liverpool for Norman M Kerr so could there have been a split .

I think the 1923 birth is Janet's and Peter's son, then when she was free married Peter .
Don't no the reason for the 2 registrations of the birth, only by getting the copies of both certificates will it be known who registered them .

Doreen

Post by **doreen** » 03 Apr 2009 02:55

Hi,
Searching for a Peter Longton marriage 1927 on FREE BMD, the trancriber has given additional info indicated by the ? mark in red .
If you click onto the info by the question mark you will see for the additional info, it states " Entry reads Kerr and Sutherland for Spouce surname .

If you search Lancshire BMD 1927 for Janet D Sutherland the marriage is recorded to Peter Loughton

and the other entry is Janent D Derr

The marriage was at Liverpool Reg Office or Registra Attended again no church

Hope this helps .

Doreen

Post by **mumov04** » 03 Apr 2009 07:59

Hi Doreen,

What excellent detective work.

Thank you so much. my friend will be delighted. This is his grandmother, he has just started out doing his family tree, so he does not yet know how to do research.

Thank's again.
Sue

Post by **Tina** » 03 Apr 2009 08:09

Good stuff Doreen as usual!

Hi Sue
Anc have a Janet Sutherland in their incoming passenger ships lists to Lpool. I'm sorry I cannot get into this but I do know some of our wonderful forum members can.
Fingers crossed it's your lass.
There's also an arrival for a Norman M Kerr to Lpool.

(with names like Janet & Kerr, makes you wonder if there's a Scots connection)

Cheers
Tina

Post by **Barbara B** » 03 Apr 2009 11:15

There are a few Janet Sutherlands listed on incoming passengers but as far as I can see none of them match birth date and arrival times - none of them put Janet in England in time for her to be married in 1927. Never mind, it was worth a try, Tina.
Barbara

Post by **mumov04** » 03 Apr 2009 11:16

Hi Tina and Doreen,

You are right, Norman M Kerr was born in Glasgow, as were his sibling's. I do not as yet know who is father was, his mother was a Mary I or J born in Carlisle according to the 1911 census. By which time she was a widow. They were living in Toxteth Park at the time of 1911.

It does sound as though it is my lass and laddie on those incoming ship's. Lets hope sks can confirm ths.

Thank's Tina and Doreen.
Sue

Post by **MaryA** » 03 Apr 2009 11:20

Tina do you mean the one without age who came in 1920? Don't think she's right as the age just hasn't been transcribed and she's 57 years old and giving an embarkation address of Norfolk Road, Harrogate.

Post by **Tina** » 03 Apr 2009 13:03

Hi Barbara
She married first in 1914 to Norman

Tina

Post by **MaryA** » 03 Apr 2009 13:23

Sorry, the Norman M Kerr was on his own both times, once incoming to Liverpool in 1945 on the Franconia, occupation Cotton Expert, the other to Southampton on the Aquitainia in 1931, occupation Agriculturist, address both occasions 192 Grange Loan, Edinburgh.

I'm suspecting that he's the Norman Munro Kerr, who travelled often from Egypt and other places, in the earlier years giving the address as 104 West George Street, Glasgow.

His travels seemed to continue until about 1954. If you think there is a definite connection I could get more information but if not then there's too many to bother with.

Post by **doreen** » 03 Apr 2009 13:40

How abut this Sutherland family ..

1901 44 East Harrington, Houghton Le Spring, Durham .

George Sutherland Head 47 Water Works Labourer b Scotland .
Bella Wife 45 b ...
Donald Son 23 Water Works Labourer b ...
Annie Daur 21 b Scotland
Janet .. 18 b Durham Phildephia
Willi Son 16 b .. Blackboy ?
Maggie Daur 14 b ... Houghton Le Spring
George Son 10 b ... Herrington .

RG13Piece:4694; Folio:147; Page:24

1891 3 Nth Railway Terrace,Houghton Le Spring .

George Sutherland Head 39 Horse Keeper b Scotland .
Isabella Wife 39 b ....
Donald Son 13 Scholar b ....
Ann Daur 11 b ....
Janet ... 6 b DURHAM PHILADELPHIA
William Son 5 b Durham Brecon Hill
Margaret Daur 3 b Houghton Le Spring .

RG12 Page:4115; Folio:67; Page:17

Checked for a Durham Philadelphia in the USA and there is one

Haven't found this family on the Scotish census in 1881, if it is the right family could they be in Philadelphia, Durham, USA at that time, returning to to the UK before William's birth around 1884-6 ? .

Edited: age for Janet missed, also ref for 1891

Doreen

Post by **Tina** » 03 Apr 2009 21:42

Hi All
Thanks very much Mary for look ups in shipping lists.

There's a Philadelphia near Houghton le Spring in Durham according to Google Maps.

Free BMD birth june qtr 1883 Houghton
Janet Sutherland

Ho hum

Tina

Post by **doreen** » 03 Apr 2009 22:18

Hi Tina, thanks for finding a UK Philadelphia, it didn't come up on the Genuki.org site when I checked for it .
Perhaps there may be more to go on from Janet and Peter's marriage certificate .

Doreen