Perkins Family

Post by **samarai49** » 03 Apr 2009 00:25

I have family living in Roscoe Arcade Liverpool in 1859 and 1871 but cannot find them on the 1861 census. I have spent hours looking for Roscoe Arcade itself on the 1861 census but cannot find it either. Does anyone have any clues or maybe it was left off the census?

Post by **Tina** » 03 Apr 2009 08:29

Hi samarai and welcome aboard.
Please could you give us the details of your family?
Then we can have a squizz for you.
There are lots of detectives in our forum who are great at finding mistranscribed family surnames.
1853 Gores Directory has Roscoe Arcade listed.

Best wishes
Tina

Post by **samarai49** » 03 Apr 2009 09:24

Thanks for your prompt reply.
We are trying to track down John and Mary Perkins with children Ann, John, Mary (DOB about 1850) and maybe Agnes, Lucy and Elizabeth. They could possibly have had something to do with ostrich feathers but that is not confirmed.

I'd appreciate any help you can give us

Post by **dickiesam** » 03 Apr 2009 09:32

Hello samarai,
As Tina said some names would help us find Roscoe Arcade in 1861.

Trying to find where it actually was on the map, I found a mention of Roscoe Arcade in 1900 here:
http://www.scottishfamilyheritage.co.uk ... usA-J.shtm
It is the address of a printer/bookseller and it also appears on another site with a slight change.
Evans, W A, Roscoe Arcade, Bold Street, Liverpool, England - bookseller;
Evans, W. A., 1a, Roscoe Arcade, Renshaw street, Liverpool.

I'd say it ran between Bold St and Renshaw St in the area where Roscoe Street and Roscoe Lane are today.
Cheers,
Dickiesam

Post by **MaryA** » 03 Apr 2009 10:01

I suspect a few more details would be welcome by anybody trying to help, especially since the ages of the girls are such that they should be on the 1861 census. Here they are in 1871

3 & 5 Roscoe Arcade, Mount Pleasant, Liverpool
Mary A Perkins Head Mar 45 Feather Cleaner born Ireland
Agnes daur Unm 19 Feather Cleaner Lancashire Liverpool
Lucy daur 11 Scholar " "
RG10; Piece: 3784; Folio: 69; Page: 12

The address is where you said Dickiesam, near St Luke's Place and the roads either side are Renshaw Street and Bold Street.

Post by **colette** » 03 Apr 2009 10:20

Hi

I get the feeling ROSCOE ARCADE was actualy on Renshaw St.. going by the house before in 1871 84-86-88 Renshaw St..

Having looked at the same number houses in 1861 it seems Roscoe Arcade does not follow the same in 1861

Found Roscoe St in 1861 23h but dont think entire St is on that district..

In 1851 they were at Kent Square

John age 31 b Herefordshire Register to Servants ??????
Mary A age 24 b Ireland
John age 2 b Lpool b 1848
Ann age 2 b Lpool b 1848
Mary age 9 months b Lpool b 1850

I would guess there were s few kids inbetween Agnes & Lucy as we only see them in 1871 next with Agnes b 1852, Lucy b 1860.. theres a birth for a Lucy Helen Perkins 1859 in Liverpool so that maybe her

Tried everyway to find them in 1861...Is the 1859 from a birth cert ????????????

Regards

Post by **samarai49** » 03 Apr 2009 10:22

Thanks for the input.

We are trying to prove that Ann, John and Mary are the siblings of Lucy, Agnes and Elizabeth. Sighting them all together (or even some of them) on the 1861 census would help do that. Lucy, Elizabeth and Agnes together with mother Mary immigrated to Australia in the 1870's.

We have found Roscoe Arcade on an 1899 map that we have and we have the family there on the 1871 census and on birth certificates in the 1850's but we can find no trace of them on the 1861 census. We were hoping to find Roscoe Arcade on the 1861 census to see if there was any trace of them there then

Post by **samarai49** » 03 Apr 2009 10:27

Hi all again,

Forgot to mention - the 1859 is from Lucy's birth certificate.

Post by **MaryA** » 03 Apr 2009 10:48

I wondered if their neighbours- Raffaele and Mary Volpe - could be tracked since they married in 1859 it would seem that they should be in Liverpool also, but no sign of them, so I do wonder if the little arcade has been missed.

If you want to check the Enumerator's Walk, then I would check to see what he has put for Mount Pleasant, District 24g as 82 Renshaw Street, which is near where the arcade was in 1871 is at reference RG9; Piece: 2685; Folio: 18; Page: 30

Post by **samarai49** » 03 Apr 2009 11:02

Thanks for that Mary. That is exactly what we did and we could find no trace of the arcade. We came to the same conclusion - that the arcade has been missed - but we were hoping that, as we were novices at this, that someone might have some further suggestions. It seems odd that a family with young children should just disappear.

Penny

Post by **MaryA** » 03 Apr 2009 11:23

It sounds like such a tiny little arcade, something maybe along the lines of one of the Courts, that maybe the enumerator just went straight along the road not even noticing it, or thinking it was workplaces - some of the occupations around there sound as if people are working for themselves, maybe from home - or maybe just forgot to return to it.

Post by **MaryA** » 03 Apr 2009 11:31

I think the appropriate part of the Enumerator's Walk for District 24g is

"Whole of Renshaw St from Luce St to Newington
East side of Renshaw St from Newington to Ranelagh Place (including Courts)"

Post by **Tina** » 03 Apr 2009 12:54

Hi Crewe
1853 Directory
John Perkins & Co carpet cleaners rego office 7 Lime Street
and 20 Roscoe Arcade

Tina

Post by **Tina** » 08 Apr 2009 13:12

Hi Penny
We don't want your post to vanish from page 1.
Any comments please on the forum's findings.
Tks
Best wishes

Tina

Post by **samarai49** » 08 Apr 2009 14:04

I appreciate all the input but I still haven't found this family on the 1861 census. I know they were there because I have information that places them there in 1859 (birth certificate) and also 1864 (newspaper article). I am becoming more and more convinced they have been left off the 1861 census - unless they left the country over that period.

I would still appreciate any help that is available.

Penny

Post by **Katie** » 15 May 2010 16:50

While I was at Liverpool today I checked the street listings for 1861 and Roscoe Arcade was not listed. I checked the 1861 census fiche and Roscoe Arcade is not there. I looked on a map and Roscoe Arcade was off Newington which ran between Renshaw Street and Bold Street. I looked at the front of the enumerators book and he has wrote all Newington and arcades. The only possible answer is the pages with Roscoe Arcade on have not survived because there was a section of Bold Street listed and that was not there either.

Hope this helps

Post by **Katie** » 15 May 2010 16:56

Correction

Roscoe Arcade was off Heathfield Street, next street to Newington, this street also ran between Renshaw Street abd Bold Street. This street also had no record in the 1861 census. If you look on Liverpool History Projects site in the map section you will be able to see it

Post by **samarai49** » 16 May 2010 00:05

Thanks for following up on my query. It's good to know that others are missing and it's not just my poor research skills. It's is such a pity they can't be found in 1861 as there were 13 Perkins children and that is probably the one census that would have given us a clue to all their names. Sometime between 1864 and 1873 the family split up and the mother and 3 daughters came to Australia with the others remaining in England. I would love to know what happened but I guess it is one of those family history puzzles that never gets solved.

Thanks again

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