The Salisbury Sisters an old search never resolved!

Post by **jwalker85@hotmail.com** » 30 Mar 2009 05:30

Greetings from Texas and me in particular. I am hoping to be able to make a trip over possibly this Summer, but in the meantime I thought that I would give it another go.

I have tried the Southport sites without anything of significance.

Monica b 1931 and Veronica b 1934 Salisbury, my mother's first cousins, both born in Flint N.Wales, ended up running a Hotel in Southport.
Time frame would have to be in the late 1950s- 1980s
This fact was confirmed when I found living relatives of my Conway branch still living in Flint, who was still intouch with them upto a few years ago. It very difficullt trying to squeeze info out of such an elderly person!!
[94yrs] who doesn't even write
Monica would be 78 years of age and Veronica 75, just a tad older than myself

Possibly someone with connections to historical Southport might be able to locate some thing- especially if either married.

I appreciate any interest in this matter, Thanking you! Joe in Texas

Post by **jwalker85@hotmail.com** » 31 Mar 2009 02:11

I deliberately put this question into the Liverpool site because I had zero success with it the last time in the Southport section and on the other Southport chat sites. Joe

Post by **Lynda** » 31 Mar 2009 10:12

HI Joe
Sorry I cant help you my knowledge is not so good, I am always asking for help.

Have you asked on the North Meols family history site? maybe someone there can help.

Lynda

Post by **northmeols** » 31 Mar 2009 13:32

I tried to help on the northmeols site but could not remember the name of the hotel.....It was the knowsley hotel....I believe it is no longer there as my sister says it was torn down and condos built on the land.......I remember the ladies name was veronica and it was still there in 1980 so youo may have to contact building and zoning office to find out the owner at that time.

Post by **jwalker85@hotmail.com** » 01 Apr 2009 01:37

THANK YOU ALL this is the first great bit of info received and gives me great hope.
THE KNOWSLEY HOTEL- What a name!!
I see what can be found out about it!

The strange thing is I can find out anything about the possible marriages.
at least one of them married for sure. Thanks Joe in San Antonio.

Post by **northmeols** » 01 Apr 2009 01:55

could this be monicas death

England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005

Name: Monica Salisbury
Birth Date: 26 Jan 1922
Death Registration Month/Year: Jun 2002
Age at death (estimated): 80
Registration district: Blackpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Register number: B12D
District and Subdistrict: 5811B
Entry Number: 216

England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005

Name: Monica Mary Salisbury
Birth Date: 29 Jul 1935
Death Registration Month/Year: Jun 2003
Age at death (estimated): 67
Registration district: Gloucester
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Register number: B64
District and Subdistrict: 483/1B
Entry Number: 20

Post by **MaryA** » 01 Apr 2009 10:20

jwalker85@hotmail.com wrote:The strange thing is I can find out anything about the possible marriages.
at least one of them married for sure. Thanks Joe in San Antonio.

Unfortunately at the date any marriage would have taken place, it would necessitate searching the Marriage Indexes page by page, not just a search of the database index, have you done this?

Post by **jwalker85@hotmail.com** » 01 Apr 2009 18:26

Dear Mary A and Northmeols. Thanks again for you kind interest and assistance!
Firstly I just rechecked the Flintshire births Monica Salisbury was born 1931
and Veronica Salisbury in 1934
So this rules out the aforementiond deaths.

I had been hoping that there was still another method for locating marriages but alas I will just have to find the time and search through the marriages long hand. Does this mean that the Lancs BDM is still missing alot of info?
Kind Regards Joe in Texas.

Post by **HOLLY** » 01 Apr 2009 18:44

Hi Joe in Texas! I went to Southport Library for the first time today to get a feel for things, will be going again next Wednesday so will keep you in mind and see if there is anything regarding the hotel or even the girls themselves - Holly

got my sunglasses on because it's sunny here today !!

Post by **MaryA** » 01 Apr 2009 20:30

The LancashireBMD site is far from complete, being transcribed as most indexing sites are, by volunteers, so an ongoing project that may well take many years.

There is also an issue over whether the registers are made available for transcribing.

You can see the coverage here http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/marrcov.html and the years transcribed for St. Stephens, North Meols ( 1869-1967) and North Meols, Banks, Methodist Chapel (1903-1955) is excellent, you can see here http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Southport/ just how many churches there are left in the Southport area.

I wonder if it will ever be complete?

To assist with major transcribing work contact our Webmaster, Peter Joliffe who would appreciate whatever assistance you can offer.

Post by **jwalker85@hotmail.com** » 01 Apr 2009 21:48

HOLLY wrote:Hi Joe in Texas! I went to Southport Library for the first time today to get a feel for things, will be going again next Wednesday so will keep you in mind and see if there is anything regarding the hotel or even the girls themselves - Holly got my sunglasses on because it's sunny here today !!

Dear Holly, This offer is a most kind one! Is appreciate it!

Items of interest
a] A Hotel called The Knowsley Hotel and its management

b] Possible Marriages for Monica and Veronica Salisbury

c] Anyone still living in the area by the name of Veronica or Monica Salisbury
(possibly the historical part of the library might be able to put their names into their computer and do a search. You never know!
Thanking you Joe in Texas

Post by **jwalker85@hotmail.com** » 01 Apr 2009 21:49

Mary A I thank you for your direction! Love from Joe in TX

Post by **silverlady** » 02 Apr 2009 15:17

Hello Joe,

I live in Southport and it's true the Knowsley Hotel has been demolished. Not long ago but long enough. It was situated on the corner of Knowsley Road and Leicester Street, opposite the Promenade hospital. It had a lovely view of the Marine Lake.

There will be loads of advertising for the hotel in the Southport Visiters which are available on film in the local reference library and I'm sure Holly will be able to find something. I shall have a look in my box of memorabilia and see if there is a mention in a holiday brochure I have.

My boss is a dab hand at trawling the Land Registry sites and I shall get him to show me what to look for and then hopefully I'll see when the sisters sold the business.

Fingers crossed...

SIL

Post by **HOLLY** » 02 Apr 2009 17:51

Hi Silverlady - can you remember when it was demolished? My husbands Aunt works for Southport Tourist Info - a long shot but you never know what these old ladies remember !! Holly

Another sunny day !!

Post by **jwalker85@hotmail.com** » 02 Apr 2009 18:37

Ladies am i glad you noticed my posting- now possibly we will get there!
Thank you for all you kind help. Love from Joe in Texas

[b]ADDITIONAL INFO:[/b]

Just got off the phone ! italked with my 92 year old relative in Flint and she couldn't remember telling me about the Hotel!!!!

She did remmeber that it was Monica who married and had a son who is a Doctor and had at least one daughter who has a big family of well behaved kids- no married names yet!!

Also that Veronica (Ronnie) is still alive in the Southport area as she had phoned during the last 6 months.

Post by **HOLLY** » 03 Apr 2009 10:36

Hi Joe, just had a storming good idea! If they managed/owned The Knowsley they must have been licenced victuallers - and so there must be records - (I think!) ... I hope one of the super sleuths reads this and can help you further - Holly

Post by **Tina** » 03 Apr 2009 12:02

Hi Holly
In Southport it could have been a B & B hotel

Tina

Post by **HOLLY** » 03 Apr 2009 12:28

Hi Tina, well that brought me down to earth with a bump - !! If so, let's hope they had a wine cellar !!

Post by **northmeols** » 03 Apr 2009 12:54

there was no liquer at the knowsley as you went in the front doors there was a desk in front of you, alounge to the right with comfy chairs and sofas and a small library of books, to the left was the billiard table and game room. in the back to the right was the dining room with full service meals then to the left was the kitchen and dishwashing and laundry rooms[ did my share of work in them too] there were a few rooms on the 1st[ground] floor for elderly guests and the most of the rooms were upstairs. the top floor was their private quarters.

Post by **jwalker85@hotmail.com** » 05 Apr 2009 01:06

North Meols and Silverlady..........
Was there any chance that the married couple running the Knowsley Hotel were Mr. John A Mason and Mrs Monica Mason & her sister Veronica Salisbury?? Joe