WILCOCK/STOCKWELL Liverpool/West Derby

[bartonaj]

Hi all

Am looking if anyone can identify a burial date/location for my paternal great-grandmother Ellen STOCKWELL nee WILCOCK. Ellen was born in Old Swan in 1864, the daughter of William WILCOCK. She had a brother Samuel (b. 1866) and sister Martha Jane WILCOCK (b.1870).

I believe Ellen may have died in around 1930. According to my father she was buried in a 'paupers grave' although I cannot confirm this. Her husband Edward Joseph STOCKWELL died in 1938. The STOCKWELL family largely attended All Saints Church in Stoneycroft (but I've been unable to find any records for this church online unfortunately).

Would also be interested in any further information anyone can find on Ellen's family. William WILCOCK was born in 1832, probably in Old Swan. From census records I believe he and wife Elizabeth (probably GORE) died before 1890.

Grateful for any help anyone can offer and interested to hear from anyone else researching STOCKWELLS from Liverpool area.

Cheers

A.J. Barton
Wellington
New Zealand

[emeltee]

Hi, I have been trawling through the Forum and came across your request. You may well have this info but there is a death on FreeBMD for an Ellen Stockwell aged 67 Jul, Aug, Sep 1930 W. Derby vol 8b page 539
Emeltee

[dickiesam]

Hi,
You may find these URLs of help in locating records. Contacting the church direct may be a good option.

http://www.achurchnearyou.com/stoneycroft-all-saints/
http://pennylaneliverpool.merseyside.or ... es%202.htm

Dickiesam

[bartonaj]

Hi Dickiesam/Emeltee

Thanks heaps for the info and suggestions.

I've actually been able to locate the graves of my great-grandparents since my original post. They were both buried at Allerton cemetery (I had been under the impression that they would be at Anfield) - a very kind soul who works for the cemeteries was able to confirm that they were in unmarked (public) graves.

Will definitely check out the websites you recommend for other relatives' details however.

Kind regards

A.J. Barton
Wellington, NZ

[shirley]

HI
If you mean All Saints in Broadgreen Rd, I do believe the records are still at the church. I had reason to enquire about them a number of years ago.
Shirley

[CaroleW]

1871 census for 7 Rock Mount West Derby. Children b Old Swan. Suspect second marriage for one of them

William Wilcock 39 labourer at corporation b West Derby
Elizabeth Wilcock 39 b?? Lancs
Susannah Wilcock 20
Ellen Wilcock 7
Samuel Wilcock 3
Martha J Wilcock 10 months
Mary E Gore 11 months no relationship shown
? Amos Sheldon 46 lodger b Liverpool
Jane Sheldon 55 ditto ditto
Charles Sheldon 10 ditto b Old Swan
RG10; Piece: 3850; Folio: 88; Page: 36

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1860
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WILCOCK William GORE Elizabeth Liverpool, Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne Liverpool 2053LP/39/286

IGI

William Wilcock Spouse: ELIZABETH GORE
Marriage: 29 JUL 1860 Saint Nicholas, Liverpool

[CaroleW]

This could be William in 1861 - 7 Court Blenheim St - all b Liverpool.

William Wilcock 63 dock labourer
Ann 33 dtr
William 29 widower dock labourer
Ellen 8 dtr
Mary 10 dtr
RG9; Piece: 2653; Folio: 128; Page: 38

EDIT - SEE BELOW - THIS CANNOT BE THE RIGHT 1861 ENTRY AS WILLIAM RE-MARRIED IN 1860

[CaroleW]

1851 entry removed - incorrect family

[bartonaj]

Hi Carole

Thanks so much for the information you've provided - really appreciate it.

I have census/marriage entries for William for 1841, 1851 and 1871 so would be interesting to know whether the entry you've found for 1861 could be him (my only doubt is that he is still listed as a 'widower' on that entry whereas he had actually married Elizabeth Gore the previous year).

In 1841/51/71 William was living in Old Swan (where my great-grandmother Ellen was born). In 1841 he's at Springfield Street living with mother Martha (a widow) and siblings. In 1851 he was at Green Lane, listed as 'unmarried' and living with his aunt and sister Martha. 1861 I couldn't find anything. In 1871, as you've correctly determined, he was living at Rock Mount Street in Old Swan with second wife Elizabeth. I can't find any likely birth for a Susannah Wilcock so presume she was Elizabeth's daughter from before the marriage.

It's been quite a challenge to find much more out about the Wilcocks (the name is I guess reasonably common) - I'm not sure even who William's father was (given that he had already died by 1841), nor where William was christened.

Thanks again for all your help - hopefully as more records come online I'll finally track down more information!

Andy

[CaroleW]

Hi

You are quite right - the marriage in 1860 would preclude that being the right 1861 entry - I'll edit to avoid confusion.