Michael Barker and family

Post by **chrisrose** » 19 Nov 2008 14:41

As James is not a direct descendant think I'll settle for this explanation and go for Michael's death cert for now. As I can find Michael and Mary in 1841 and Mary in 1861+, it was really just frustration as to why they weren't there in 1851. Was also hoping for a clue as to where in Ireland Michael may have been born.

Chris

Post by **colette** » 19 Nov 2008 15:03

Hi Chris have you followed Michaels sister Mary.. or his brother Thomas on the census.. maybe one will reveal a place in Ireland..Plus with the dad Thomas being aged 60 in 1841 and the youngest child being aged 10.. i would assume there are a few more older siblings before Michael...

Post by **chrisrose** » 19 Nov 2008 19:55

Can't find anything positive on Mary or Thomas other than the 1861 suggestion earlier that Thomas could be a soldier in Surrey. The Ancestry transcription gives a place name that I couldn't find (googled it).
Can't seem to get on Ancestry at the moment to check it out again.
Chris

Post by **chrisrose** » 19 Nov 2008 20:06

Got there at last birth place given as Anglalughor, Ireland
Anyone able to offer a better spelling?
Chris

Post by **Kirsty** » 20 Nov 2008 11:44

Hola

,

I know this is backtracking slightly but thought I'd post it anyway:

St. Helens Chapel - Marriage
10/10/1831
William (x) South & Phebe (x) Harrison, btp. Wit: Joshua Large, Margaret (x) Smith and Thomas Simcock.

Kirsty

Post by **colette** » 20 Nov 2008 12:09

Hi Chris i think Mary Barker may have married a Thomas Houlton 1847

1851 finds them at Liverpool Rd Haydock

Thomas Houlton age 24 b Ashton Coal Lab
Wife Mary Ann age 29 b Ireland
Dau Elizabeth age 3 b Parr
Dau Catherine age 1 b Parr
Son Joseph P??? age 2 months b Haydock

So first 2 born Parr and even name Catherine was her mums name plus shes born Ireland

1861 Courts Duke St St Helens

Thomas Houlton age 34 Coal Miner Foreman b Ashton
Mary Ann age 39 b Ireland
Dau Elizabeth age 13 b Parr
Dau Catherine age 11 b Parr
Son Thomas P??? age 3 b Sutton

Joseph must have died....

1871 cannot find them

1881 18 Stanley St Windle Mary Houlton age 60 Widow b Ireland Lodger..

Son Thomas married Elizabeth Swift Prescot 1881

They have a brood of kids

Annie 1882
Ellen 1884
John 1886
Teresa 1889
Mary 1890
Agnes 1893
Sarah 1896
James1898

Still dont know about Michael's Bro Thomas ???

Post by **chrisrose** » 20 Nov 2008 12:40

Thanks Kirsty, had found that one eventually on OPC.

Colette - Thanks so much. I had seen that as one of quite a few marriages for Mary Barker, but didn't have the chance to follow any of them through yesterday. Also, was put off by the Mary Ann.

Looks like it could be a good match though. Still doesn't help me pinpoint a location in Ireland unfortunately.

Chris

Post by **Kirsty** » 20 Nov 2008 16:42

Just picking up on the Holland element of this thread...

Here is a section of a 1903 OS map featuring Upholland.
You can see the centre of Upholland to the middle right of the image.
In the bottom left is Holland Moss.
And slightly to the left of the middle is Holland Moor. Just a few Holland's for you...

TTFN, Kirsty

Post by **chrisrose** » 21 Nov 2008 21:06

Thanks Kirsty.
Not sure how I can progress the "Holland" route.
I've tried the OPC marriages, but without a maiden name for Catherine I think I might be up a creek without a paddle.

Chris

Post by **ClaireMH** » 16 Jan 2009 12:48

Hi Chris,

I'm new to the forum and found this topic through doing a search for Thomas Houlton.
I realise there have been no posts for a couple of months, but I wanted to clear something up for you, so you're not following a wrong trail.

The Thomas Houlton who married Elizabeth Swift in 1881 with the 7 children that Collete listed, is not your Thomas Houlton.
This is my G grandfather born in Billinge to John & Anne Houlton.

Sorry its not a more positive post.
Claire

Post by **chrisrose** » 17 Jan 2009 09:10

Hi Claire and a big welcome to the forum. Thanks for your post. I had not followed this line up at the moment as it was getting further away from my direct line and I had other fish to fry, so to speak

Like all these things I would probably have come back to it before too long, so thanks for stopping me going on a wild goose chase.

Hope we can help you with some of your missing rellies at some point.
Chris

PS For those who took an interest I got Michael's death cert, but it didn't help. I'm sure it's him (aged 33 living Parr Stocks) but the informant is Thomas Hodon (Hoolon?) who was in attendance. No idea who he is!

Post by **Tina** » 17 Jan 2009 12:06

Hi Chris
What was the address on death certificate please?

The informant may have been Registrar at a hospital or a Doctor who called at the house/
Thank you
Tina

Post by **chrisrose** » 18 Jan 2009 10:16

Hi Tina,
Thanks for your continued interest

and a belated Happy New Year. Hope you aren't melting down there

To qoute from Michael's death cert:
where died; Parr Stocks Parr
cause of death - can't read it something like Phlltiasis 2 years certified
sig, desc,res of informant : Thomas Hoolon (?), In attendance Parr Stocks Parr
Death was reg on the same day (1st Mar 1853)
Registrar also unreadable but ends .....shill
Could be Thomas was a doctor but it doesn't say so.
Any thoughts?
Chris

Post by **Kirsty** » 19 Jan 2009 08:59

Hi Chris and All,

Hope everyone is well and not too hot or cold depending what side of the earth you're on

The death certificate sounds interesting. Chris = would you be able to post an image of the bits you can't read so we can have a go at deciphering it?

Best Wishes, Kirsty

P.S. Could the cause of death read, PHTHISIS? If so I have this on some of my death certificates also. It's an old medical/scientific word which I don't think is used anymore. I believe it basically refers to lung disease, specifically, tuberculosis (consumption). On death certificates you often get the word PULMONALIS with PHTHISIS. PULMONALIS means pulmonary. Pulmonary: Having to do with the lungs.

Post by **Tina** » 19 Jan 2009 09:44

Thank you Chris for New Year wishes.
Felice Anno Nuovo to youself and familia.

Good idea Kirsty if we could have a squizz at death cert.
It was a dreadful wasting illness.
(See Opera Mimi)

I did try to find Thomas Hoolan/Hodan? in 1851 in Parr with no luck.

Thanks Kirsty about weather, thunderstorm at 3am cooled the air & brought us much welcome 34mm rain.

Tina

Post by **MaryA** » 19 Jan 2009 10:16

chrisrose wrote:sig, desc,res of informant : Thomas Hoolon (?), In attendance Parr Stocks Parr

Sounds so much like Houlton, even if you have discounted this person as being in your direct line could they be related somehow and so been friendly enough to be nearby when needed.

Post by **chrisrose** » 19 Jan 2009 11:59

Hi All,
Thanks for your input. I will post the cert but I will need to scan it first and I've never posted anything before so it may take a while

Have to go out to a meeting soon, so won't have a chance for a while.

BUT

Mary you must have xray vision

I've just checked 1851 census for Thomas Houlton. Found one in Ashton. Then checked for marriages and guess what (drum roll)
He marries Mary Ann Barker Jun 1847

Thomas' wife Mary Ann in 1851 is born Ireland.
Gives me somewhere to go again

Will be back later
Thanks All
Chris

Post by **MaryA** » 19 Jan 2009 12:09

To Show a Photograph in your Message

Post by **chrisrose** » 19 Jan 2009 18:51

Thanks Mary for the uploading info. Fingers crossed this works

Chris
Magic it did (it looks a bit big though

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Post by **MaryA** » 19 Jan 2009 19:52

I would say PHTHISIS is right but not sure about the surname for Thomas.

Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Michael Barker and family

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Thomas Houlton marries Elizabeth Swift 1881 Prescot

Death Certificate