1901 Census - Thomas Reynolds

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This morning I have posted on another thread about the unreliablitity of A...y's army details, with Aldershot being given as place of death for many who were buried or commemorated in France or Belgium. This could well be another of the same sort.

I should have added to my last posting on this thread that the link to the Town Hall will lead in to the query slot for anyone who wants to know whether someone is listed on the WW1 memorial panels in the Hall of Remembrance. If they are listed, the information given is surname, initial(s), rank and unit/ship etc. Decorations such as MM, DCM, VC are shown for some entries, but may not be. No dates, ages, homes or families are listed.
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Eileen
Must be the cold weather, but I put 1905 for St Francis's - that was the date of the current building, but the parish was formed in 1883 'when local Catholics met in the old Methodist chapel vacated by the Congregationalists.' I think that puts St F back in the frame.

It must have been very confusing round there for anyone who went only at Christmas!
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Any news of Pte F. Reynolds from St Francis's?
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[42aitch]

Daggers,

Not been able to get to Liverpool RO this week, busy with Christmas parties etc.....

Hope to get there next week sometime.

Will keep you posted

NOTE my early membership number.

Eileen

[42aitch]

Hi Everyone

I have now found that Thomas and Ellen Reynolds were the ones transcribed as Cerpnolas on the 1901. I have found them on the 1911 Census and the way Thomas has written his name looks like that at first glance. It also shows that they did have a son Francis Reynolds but it looks as if it wasn't the one that died in 1915 as he was only 1 on the Census, unless of course he signed up at age 14?????

See attached names as per 1911. They were living at 30 Shakespear Street, Garston and it does say that Ellen had 8 children with only 6 living.
Had a look on Free BMD but there are loads of Reynolds so won't even go there

Thanks for all your help and interest at least I found them in 1901, even though I don't appear to have two WW1 soldiers.



Eileen

[Tina]

Hi Eileen
Shakespeare St... well I never.
Will have to get the jungle drums going about your Reynolds to the rellies.
Do you know they shortened the names of the streets but never called Shakespeare Shakie??
My bridesmaid 1966, who married our best man 1967, was born in Shakespeare St, they are coming over to stay for 4 weeks at "Tina & Ed's Pomstay" on 21st Feb!!
What a small world!
Are these the same Reynolds I once asked if Reynolds Park was named after them
One of the crew found them as Cerpnolas, was it me??
Tina xx

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Reynolds Park - I found this on a site about some of Liverpool's parks:
"James Reynolds was a wealthy cotton broker, owning not only Reynolds Park but also a welsh castle and Levens Hall Cumbria.
James Reynolds, although beyond military age, served in France during the Great War and was awarded the DSO. He was knighted in 1920 and was bestowed with a Baronetcy. During the 1920s he was elected as MP for Liverpool Exchange and died in 1932, being buried in St Mary’s Churchyard, Woolton."
He was of the left-footed persuasion, as we say in scouseland!
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[Dominex]

Yay, glad it's kinda sorted

Sue

[42aitch]

Hi All

Tina I think that it was Dominex who originally found the Cerpnolas and made the connection. Sue also had found it and I had seen it but overlooked it. You found the other Reynolds family from Ireland with the son Francis aged 7.

The only thing that bothers me is that the address 18 Banks Road for the WW1 Francis Reynolds was in the 1914 directory as Alice Croft which was Ellen's mother. It seems strange that another unrelated family of Reynolds would have been there in 1915!!

By the way the birth for Catherine Gertrude Reynolds that was found by one of you was their daughter. Good Hunting!!

Mary you can now say that it is a certainty that the enumerators made mistakes with transcribing the Census from the originals written by the family. As you can see on the 1911 part I have put on, his writing can be mistranscribed

Thanks again for everything.
Eileen

[leanes-trench]

Hello all,

I am a member of the Gallipoli Association. For the past 25 years, I have been compiling a biographical register of all British and Dominion servicemen who died at, and as a result of, Gallipoli. So far I have also proven 20 Gallipoli deaths and 2 burials to the Commonwealth War Graves Commission. Now, the Association routinely forwards requests for information about casualties to me.

I have just completed writing a book about the Gallipoli campaign. It is a readable history of the campaign - which has been done - but is tied together with accounts about men who were killed - which has not. I gathered these accounts from personal and unit war diaries, letters, missing in action reports, family lore, etc.

Apart from the information listed in Soldiers Died in The Great War and the CWGC records, I have never come across any other information about Francis. The reason for the lack of a birthdate, etc., in his CWGC entry is that his parents did not return the questionaire that the (then) Imperial War Graves Commission sent out to all never of kin in the early 1920's. Thus, without an age, it's impossible to track him through the census records. One possibility is that he was old enough to be serving in the Boer War in 1901, which would have explained his absence, or that he was living overseas at the time.

Has anybody been able to check the newspapers of the time? A Gallipoli casualty who was not listed as missing and who died on the peninsula would have appeared, at the very outside, two weeks after his death. Once he died, his death was cabled to the Third Echelon casualty office in Alexandria, then to the War Office, and on to his regimental records office. From there, a ranker's parents were notified of his death by telegram (officers' families were notified by the War Office directly).

Also, there may have been more than one report in the paper. If a family reported a man's death to the paper, there might have been a lenghty obituary. In another portion of the paper, sometimes on different days, there might be another listing with the births, deaths and marriages. There might be several, and these often differ from the larger report in that they will list the mother's name, and might have grandparents' names as well (thus allowing one to find the man's mother's maiden name).

I hope this helps! Please note that I am happy to help with ANY Gallipoli casualties.


Regards,


Patrick Gariépy
Eugene, Oregon, USA

E-mail: leanes-trench@comcast.net

[Tina]

Hi Patrick and a very warm welcome while the British crew are having forty winks

Your user name very apt....famous from Gallipoli.

Best wishes
Tina