1901 Census - Thomas Reynolds

[Tina]

Hi Eileen
I feel awful, I really do.
Cuz Tommy said no Reynolds on memorial stone at Garston Parish Church...
They could be on War Memorial.
I misread his email.
So sorry chuck.
Tina
ps I asked him if they may have changed the wallpaper at 18 Banks Rd, he said no, everyone painted Eau de Nil (green)

[Tina]

Hi all
There's no names listed on the Cenotaph in Garston.
Tina
I'll wear a sprig of rosemary for young Francis who died in Gallipoli along with thousand of British & Anzac young men on April 25th, Anzac Day public holiday in Australia.
In the August of 1915 there was a counter offensive by the Turks.
This is probably when he died. Perhaps buried in Turkey?
So very sad

[42aitch]

Hi

Thanks for the War Memorial link Kirsty, I have looked but couldn't find anything.
Tina thanks to your cuz for checking the Garston memorial and for the information on the colour of the walls in No 18

I am going to have to check Allerton cemetary to see if their is a gravestone on Thomas's grave which also mentions Francis. If there is no stone I think I will send for the 1893 Birth for Francis stating that parents must be Thomas and Ellen.

This is bugging me, as they both gave 18 Banks Road as their address.
No Kirsty I couldn't find any medal card either for Francis, maybe the poor boy didn't live long enough to qualify for one.

Thanks to everyone again. I will update you if I get any further information.

Eileen

[Tina]

I'm still chewing on this Reynolds bone Eil.
Thos & Ellen married 1893, you would think they would have had more kiddies than Catherine aged 1 in 1901??
I'm wondering if they were all blended, living just a few houses away from each other, Crofts, Irish Reynolds, & Francis was just having a jam buttie Whitley St on the night of the census??
At least we and cuz Tommy know all the comings and goings for 18 Banks Rd! If only I'd known, I would have taken a pic when getting off the
bus from work!!
On a lighter note here's 1901 for my Ed's gt grannie....Catherine Gaffney 68 Raglan across the road and closer to Window Lane than the Kerpnolas.
Owen is his gpa who told porkies about his age when he married, he was 20yrs older than the bride.
RG13/3507/183/7
(If Thomas had a chippie I would have doubted he was a Reynolds )
Enjoy your Sunday everyone
Tina
Strewth Eileen I just saw Canavan listed in your names, I thought it said CARAVAN....

[Tina]

Me again
Thomas' Dad John, wondering if he was lodging in the courts in Woolton Rd Garston 1891, 17 rlwy worker bn Widnes.
So many courts, closest landmark would have been the Liverpool Arms at number 49.
Tina

[Tina]

Hi Eileen
I've just listed another post in the hope our wonderful military men maybe able to help.
Tina x

[daggers]

I have passed on the query about Francis Reynolds to a pal who has access to Soldiers Died in the Great War (on CD or via some FH websites). There might be more about place of birth or enlistment. The pal might also have ideas about army records.
D

[Tina]

Thanks Daggers for your interest and asking a pal for help.
Much appreciated!
Tina

[Dominex]

Hi Tina,

If Thomas was away at sea a lot, they may not have had enough time to get together to have more babies...............

Sue

[daggers]

My pal tells me the Francis Reynolds, RAMC, you have queried was born in Garston and enlisted in Liverpool. Source: the CD of 'Soldiers Died in the Great War', compiled from official records.
I think he must be your man.
D

[daggers]

From one of your wonderful military men!
1. The Garston cenotaph has no names inscribed.
2. Garston Parish Church (St Michael's, CofE) has a lot of names on a bronze plaque, near the pulpit, inside the church (not a stone). Has this been checked?
3. Were the family CofE?
4. Are there memorials in any other Garston church/chapel?
5. See my previous post for confirmation that Francis of the RAMC/Gallipoli was born in Garston and enlisted in Liverpool.
D

EDIT to add that Francis Reynolds [RAMC] is listed on the Liverpool Town Hall Roll of Honour, but Thomas is not.
D

[Tina]

Thanks Daggers and yes you are "wonderful"..
Garston Parish Church has been checked out, nothing there.
Thanks about Francis and the Town Hall list.
Will have to wait for Eileen to answer other queries.
Tilly, thank you for looking. See page 3 where Eileen has listed details about Helles.
Sue/Dom don't think Thomas went to sea at all. He doesn't seem to have moved far from Garston, except for the war years.
He did die from pneumonia, perhaps natural causes which is why he's not mentioned in any memorials??
Chat later & thanks again everyone
Tina

[42aitch]

Hi Tina

Thanks for keeping this going and for asking for Military Help. I have been away in Scarborough, Yorkshire this week so haven't been able to access the PC. I called in Liverpool Record Office today to see if the baptism records for St Austins RC church, were there. No Luck. They only have them up to 1882, so it looks as if I will have to send for the Birth Certificate and state names of Mum and Dad.

I must try and see if I can view the Liverpool Town Hall Roll of Honour. I think that Thomas's death was probably due to Spanish Flu which killed hundreds of the troops returning from the war.

Daggers the family were Roman Catholic. Thanks for your input. Does the CD give dates for the enlistment of Francis Reynolds and any DOB or age?

Eileen

[Tina]

I just don't know about some people, going to Scarborough when they could have been enjoying the fog in Liverpool....
Hi Eileen
Sounds like a lovely break away for you on the other side of the Pennines.

Talk about THICK...not you, ME...
You said in the very beginning Thomas was buried in an R.C plot.

You're probably spot on about the Spanish Flu.

It looks like you'll have to send for birth cert for young Francis to be 100% who his folks were.

If you did want to check up on St Austin's baptism's, here's the link through Hibernia up to 1882. I was very lucky & found one of the Gaffney's who were in Raglan St as prev. mentioned.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... usbapr.htm

Warmies
Tina

[daggers]

I am 99% sure that no dates of birth or enlistment appear on the 'Soldiers Died' CD. Ages are sometimes given on the CWGC database but not for Francis.
For RC baptisms I would expect St Francis of Assisi to be more likely than St Austin's for those 'under the bridge'. It was built in 1905 and I got this off Google:
"St. Francis of Assisi R.C Church. The Rectory, Earp St, Garston, Liverpool, Merseyside L19 1RT Tel: 0151 427 4015. "
EDIT: Although St Francis's church was built in 1905, the parish was established in 1883 - sorry for error!
You can look at the Hall of Remembrance in the Town Hall online, by looking on Google for Liverpool Civic Halls; click on Town Hall and there are options for a virtual tour through the various rooms. You will see the Hall of Remembrance, but you cannot zoom in enough to read names on the wall panels. You can then decide whether to visit in person.
Daggers

[42aitch]

We had lovely weather in Scarborough, there had been plenty of snow around the moors, saw lots of snowmen and snow on the hills when we drove in on the Monday. We had sunny, crisp weather with no rain unlike the weather at home according to OH it rained Wednesday and Thursday. It was very frosty on Friday when we left and so I did see the Foggy weather here at home. Today it is a thick frost all over, but must still go out to do my volunteer work in the Registry Office, hope it will be warm in there.
I did check the Hibernia link, but this is too early and Dagger your suggestion is too late for Francis Reynolds if he served in WW1. Although it could be where any later children where baptised.

I will look at the Liverpool civic site and then call into the Town Hall sometime soon.

Thanks again to everyone. Will keep you updated if I find out anymore.

Eileen

[Tina]

Hi Daggers
People bapt R.C "under the bridge" would have gone to Holy Trinity I would think.
To verify I've emailed cuz Tommy the Garston oracle.
Earp St was in the "centre" of Garston.

Tina

[daggers]

According to 'Churches of Lpool' by David Lewis, HT was not started until 1926, so I thought St F of A would be more likely.
D

[Tina]

Hi Eileen
Thank you for wintry travelog, lovely to read about snowmen.
Gawd, wouldn't my grandees love to do that!
(btw still waiting on raincheck for my Ezi-snow)

Something interesting in Ancestry Eileen, they have Francis theatre of war as Antwerp.
Private No. 1469 died of wounds 23/8/1915 RAMC Territorial Force.
Perhaps there info is incorrect?
Antwerp a long way from Turkey?
Maybe Daggers can help here.

Tina

[Tina]

Oops Daggers
Stand corrected about Holy T.
Not my fault, my Ed told me this...fair dinkum.
Thank you for correction.
Will make a BIG note.
Ed thought Holy T was ancient..
Tina