1901 Census - Thomas Reynolds

Post by **Tina** » 13 Nov 2008 09:04

C'mon gals it was only a 3 half star caravan ...

Had reply from Cuz Tommy Foster.
Guess who was living at 18 Banks Rd in 1881?
Thomas Foster platelayer for Rlwy.
Tommy checked out Garston War Memorial, nothing for Reynolds sorry.

I wish I knew who was "living next door to Alice" in 1901

Tina

Post by **Dominex** » 13 Nov 2008 11:44

The other day, this caught my eye, and I guess from a distance, it could look like Reynolds. I dismissed it though, as the writing is quite neat.
Looking through again, I notice the daughter Catherine. Wasn't that his mother's name?

Take a look, see what you think

Name: Thomas Kerpnolas
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ellen
born:Appleton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Garston
Catherine Kerpnolas 1
Ellen Kerpnolas 27
Thomas Kerpnolas 28

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3507; Folio: 121; Page: 7.

Sue

Post by **MaryA** » 13 Nov 2008 12:06

I could see that if somebody had badly written Reyholds, the person who copied it might have written this.

I can't confirm it though, don't know where Appleton is, unless it's the one near to Widnes - any ideas? In the 1891 census there are two Thomas Reynolds living in Widnes, one born Widnes and one Runcorn, but not the right age.

Post by **Dominex** » 13 Nov 2008 13:42

Hi Mary,

That I do know

Appleton is just south of Warrington.

Sue

Post by **Dominex** » 13 Nov 2008 14:03

There's this birth, and I can't find her on the 1901 or in deaths.

Catherine Gertrude Reynolds 1899 Apr-May-Jun West Derby

Sue

Post by **MaryA** » 13 Nov 2008 14:38

It would definitely fit, wouldn't it.

Post by **Dominex** » 13 Nov 2008 14:41

Yup, but the handwriting...... It's one of the neatest I've seen on a census

Sue

Post by **MaryA** » 13 Nov 2008 15:04

Yes, but don't forget that these pages were often copied by the enumerator from a sheet written by a member of the family. This is the first time that I've ever been fairly positive that it was the original census man who was baffled by the handwriting he's trying to read. Could this be his best effort?

Post by **Dominex** » 13 Nov 2008 15:15

Bah and I first saw that entry when I first looked, after the initial posting, and way before Tina's shack

Sue

Post by **Tina** » 13 Nov 2008 22:15

Great find Sue..
I've googled the name in case it was Greek or something, not a cracker.
The location of Raglan St is good, just across the road from all the rellies.
Perhaps Appleton should read Allerton?

Off Topic
Here's my air conditioned beach shack girls, you can see me, just trying to untangle the Christmas fairy lights....It goes without saying you are all very welcome to come and stay. Just let me know in plenty of time as I do get a lot of bookings during the summer months.

Post by **Kirsty** » 14 Nov 2008 08:08

42aitch wrote:...Thomas is buried in Allerton Cemetery Section X1V RC 219. He died on service whilst at home of Pneumonia on 5.12.1918 and Francis was killed in action on 23.8.1915 in Gallipoli...

Eileen,

I've found both Thomas and Francis on the CWGC and found Thomas' medal card on Ancestry but I can't find Francis'. Have you been able to find Francis' medal card? I was hoping to find some extra bit of information on the medal card which might prove useful. Unfortunately Francis' entry on the CWGC is lacking an address or familial relationship

.

Off the CWGC:
Name: REYNOLDS
Initials: T
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sergeant
Regiment/Service: South Lancashire Regiment
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Secondary Regiment: Labour Corps
Secondary Unit Text: transf. to (605974) Clearing Office,
Age: 46
Date of Death: 05/12/1918
Service No: 2742
Additional information: Husband of Ellen Reynolds, of 18 Banks Road, Garston, Liverpool.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: XIV. R.C. 219.
Cemetery: LIVERPOOL (ALLERTON) CEMETERY.

REYNOLDS, FRANCIS
Initials: F
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Army Medical Corps
Unit Text: 87th (1st/1st West Lancs.) Field Amb
Date of Death: 23/08/1915
Service No: 1469
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 199 and 200 or 236 to 239 and 328.
Memorial: HELLES MEMORIAL

Kirsty

Post by **Kirsty** » 14 Nov 2008 08:49

42aitch wrote:...I would love to know did they have any other children before Thomas died...

Hi Eileen,

It looks like Thomas and Ellen did have at least two other children:
Birth - December Q 1911
REYNOLDS, Ellen - Mothers Maiden Name: CROFT - W.Derby - 8b 1303

Birth - December Q 1913
REYNOLDS, Arthur - Mothers Maiden Name: CROFT - W.Derby - 8b 1279

Also, could any of the following be the Francis you are looking for:
Birth - September Q 1893
REYNOLDS, Francis - W.Derby - 8b 629

Birth - December Q 1894
REYNOLDS, Francis Edward - W.Derby - 8b 4_0

Birth - December Q 1897
REYNOLDS, Francis Costello - W.Derby - 8b 3

Regards, Kirsty

Post by **Kirsty** » 14 Nov 2008 08:53

You can rule out Francis Costello Reynolds as I've found him on the CWGC:

Name: REYNOLDS, FRANCIS COSTELLO
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: The King's (Liverpool Regiment)
Unit Text: 8th Bn.
Age: 20
Date of Death: 12/09/1918
Service No: 308845
Additional information: Son of Francis and Mary Reynolds, of 108 Hale Road, Kirkdale, Liverpool.

Kirsty

Post by **Dominex** » 14 Nov 2008 11:00

Brings me back to my thought, that if the ones I found on the 1901 were the Reynolds, where was Francis? I thought maybe he could've been born 1901, but then he would've been to young to serve?

Sue

Post by **Tina** » 14 Nov 2008 11:01

Hi folks
There is no little Francis listed with Thos & Ellen greek name in 1901.
There's no ref as Kirsty noted about his family in CWGC.
I'm not convinced, he is their son, I feel he is son of Patrick see previous posts.
Thanks
Tina

Post by **Kirsty** » 14 Nov 2008 11:11

Tina Morana wrote:...I'm not convinced he is their son, I feel he is son of Patrick see previous posts...

Hola All,

I'm getting the same feeling about Francis also. From the census:
1901 Census
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3507; Folio: 123; Page: 12.
11 Whitley Street, Garston
HEAD - Patrick Reynolds - 42 (c. 1859) - Ireland - Labourer at dock
WIFE - Margaret Reynolds - 42 (c. 1859) - Ireland
SON - Francis Reynolds - 7 (c. 1894) - Garston
Plus others...

The age of the above Francis on the census ties-in with the 1893 West Derby birth registration.

TTFN, Kirsty

Post by **Dominex** » 14 Nov 2008 11:15

I'm at it again. Sorry I misread the initial post thinking that Francis was their son, but not known if he was born prior to 1901 or after

Sue

Post by **Tina** » 15 Nov 2008 07:58

Hi all
I wonder why young Francis isn't on the Garston War Memorial??

Off topic
Since I posted photo of my beach shack I've been UNINDATED with bookings, so much so I've had to close the book.
I'm sure you are all upset at missing out, never mind, there's always another year. We are hoping by then to have an en-suite installed.
Tina

Post by **42aitch** » 16 Nov 2008 01:01

Hi to everyone who has responded,

Sue I think you could very well have found the missing Reynolds, they were not hiding in the Park after all. I have printed off the entry and it does look as if the person transcibing from the original list has made a guess at the name. The Kerpnolas should read Reynolds.

I also saw this originally when looking through and thought it was a very strange name but I know that Liverpool does have a lot of people with very unusual names. I also checked the Marriages and Births for this name and zilch but found the one for Catherine Reynolds. I think the Appleton should read Allerton as suggested by Tina.

Thanks again to Tina's Cuz for checking the Garston War Memorial, I wonder if the names are on another one in Liverpool. I do know that lots of names where not put on the memorial as a friend has just managed to get her brothers name on the Litherland one this year.

Once more you seem to have come up with the goods!!!!!!
You are all so helpful to everyone and I appreciate all your input. I do try to help by doing some look ups in the Liverpool RO when I can.

Give me a shout if you want any help from me. I will do my best to return the favour.

Oops!!!!! I sent this as a PM to Tina by mistake and hadn't even read the responses on Page 3. Thanks Kirsty for the other children, don't know why I didn't think to check after 1911 had checked the other years but too many which could have been theirs.

Regarding Francis I only know that in the entry I found in the Liverpool Record Office of the Garston and Aigburth War dead it gives his address as 18 Banks Road, which is the same as Thomas. I suspect that he may have given a wrong age if it is one of the ones you have found. Or maybe he is in Reynolds Park getting up to mischief and playing soldiers in 1901!!!!!!!!!

Eileen

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Post by **Kirsty** » 16 Nov 2008 07:13

Hi Eileen,

Just been having a think about war memorials and thought this web-site might prove useful:
http://www.ukniwm.org.uk/
It's the United Kingdom National Inventory of War Memorials.

There is a link on the web-site which allows you to search the records of war memorials commemorating all wars located throughout the United Kingdom.

Had a quick look for Francis but didn't turn anything up (

) but still a useful link all the same.

Best Wishes, Kirsty

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