1901 Census - Thomas Reynolds

Post by **42aitch** » 07 Nov 2008 14:29

Hi

I have tried to find Thomas Reynolds B c1872 and his wife Ellen b1873 and a probable son Francis in the Garston area in 1901. Thomas and Francis died in WW1 and their address was 18 Banks Road, Garston. Ellen and Thomas married at St Austin's Grassendale in 1893 and I would love to know did they have any other children before Thomas died. I have found the WW1 record for them on GWC and Thomas is buried in Allerton Cemetery Section X1V RC 219. He died on service whilst at home of Pneumonia on 5.12.1918 and Francis was killed in action on 23.8.1915 in Gallipoli.

Can any of the experts on here find them, I have tried different spellings etc. but no luck.

Eileen

Post by **Tina** » 07 Nov 2008 19:11

Hi Eileen
This will get you into Banks Rd in 1901 if you want to go for a "stroll"
James Ockleshaw bn Garston
RG13/3507/118/1
(the Coffey's next door are my friends family)
Couldn't see Thomas in Garston in 1911 Directory sorry.

Tina
(perhaps they were hiding in the walled garden in Reynolds Park

)

Post by **Tina** » 07 Nov 2008 19:43

Hi Eileen
Just a quick Q
Did Thomas have a stepdad?
Tks
Tina

Post by **42aitch** » 07 Nov 2008 20:33

Hi Tina

Don't know if he had step-dad, on marriage register parents down as John and Catherine Reynolds

Eileen

Post by **Jimraf** » 07 Nov 2008 23:13

Eileen
Doesn't help with your search but it seems to me that John Reynolds married Catherine Holagan Dec. 1871. and had Thomas (1872/3); Margaret (1877/8).
John died (aged 27) June 1879.
Catherine married William Hill Sep. 1880, and are at 23 Chapel Rd. Garston in 1881:- (ie step-son / daughter)
RG11; 3719; 134; p18.
Jim

Post by **42aitch** » 07 Nov 2008 23:24

Hi Jim

I also found those and have made a note of them as I think they are the same family, but as you say it doesn't help to find them in 1901. I have even tried putting Ellen's maiden name of Croft and can't find her there.

I have found her brothers and sisters in Garston area but no trace anywhere of Thomas, Ellen or Francis Reynolds.

As Tina has said they could be hiding in Reynolds Park

I will have to try Allerton Cemetery to see if there is a gravestone with an inscription.

Thanks for trying.

Eileen

Post by **Jimraf** » 07 Nov 2008 23:38

Thomas would have been 28ish in 1901. Could be that he had, already, enlisted and the whole family are in "married pads" somewhere ?
I'll keep looking anyway.
Jim

Post by **Tina** » 08 Nov 2008 02:59

Hi Eileen
1891 Catherine is sadly widowed 36
Margaret 13 as Hill, Elizabeth Hill 5, William Hill 7 all bn Garston.
40 King St Garston, no Thomas
RG12/3004/104/32
No luck for Thos 1891 unless he's lodging, his surname an error?
He's not with Ellen Croft & family at 18 Banks Rd.

Catherine married again to William Burgess 1894.
1901 47 Woolton Rd Garston
step kids Wm Hill 18 Elzbth 15 & Joseph Hill 8 (not sure who his father is as Cath was widowed in 1891)

back later
Tina

Post by **Tina** » 08 Nov 2008 04:10

1901

Whitley street has two of the Croft brothers living there, Joseph & James, bros of Ellen also Margaret Pilling nee Reynolds.
You would think Thos & Ellen would be nearby!!
Margt does have Reynolds next door but these folks came from Ireland.
I've looked for Thos & Ellen as Hill just on the off chance.

Added
1911 Directory Mrs Alice Croft 18 Banks Rd.
Tina

Post by **Jimraf** » 08 Nov 2008 11:50

Eileen / Tina
Do you think there's been a MAJOR ommission by the enumerators ?
It seems very strange that the Crofts were at 18 Banks Rd. (1891 & 1911) yet 18 & 20 are listed together in 1901 with the Ockleshaws and two "boarders" !!! with NO mention of the Crofts.
Jim

Post by **42aitch** » 08 Nov 2008 22:52

Hi Jim/Tina

It does look as though they have missed them out on the 1901, as 18 Banks Road in 1891 and 1911 (as found by Tina) Ellen's parents William and Alice were living there and on the WW1 records for Francis and Thomas the address is also 18 Banks Road which takes them to 1918.

I wonder if they were stationed somewhere else and Ellen's parents are visiting them there? Although I haven't found them on the 1901 either.

Looks as if it is another wait for 1911 Census

Thanks for your input, it helps to get another persons views and I have found that you always provide extra information.

Eileen

Post by **Tina** » 09 Nov 2008 02:09

Hi Eileen
I think Ellen's Dad Wm Croft may have died before 1901.
Free BMD death W Dby march qtr 1896 aged 56yrs, bn 1840c
1891 he was born 1839c.

As for the rest

Having a week in a caravan in Rhyl ??

Added later, the Reynolds family I mentioned in Whitley St, 1911 Directory has Patrick at 32 Banks Rd, just around the corner.
He has a son Francis aged 7 in 1901.
Could he be the young lad who died in Gallipoli??
Tks Eileen, it's the only birth too in BMD.

Guess wot? 1938 Directory
Mrs Ellen Reynolds, 18 Banks Rd.
Mrs Ockleshaw next door and my friends spinster Aunt Coffey next door to her. This is what's bugging me about Thos & Ellen. No one moved out of Garston, my Ed did, he emigrated with me to Wavertree

Tina

off topic Whitley St was off Raglan St, my Ed born at No. 68.
I'm emailing the Oracle, cuz Tommy.

Post by **jan44** » 09 Nov 2008 10:31

Hiya Eileen, & Tina, & Jim

I looked in the 1914 Directory and at 18 Banks Road Garston was Mrs Alice Croft.

Jan

Post by **Tina** » 09 Nov 2008 10:55

Thank you Jan.
Any chance of finding Thomas or Ellen Reynolds please
Tina

Post by **jan44** » 09 Nov 2008 11:22

Hi Tina,

There is only one Mrs Ellen Reynolds in the 1914 Directory she was living at 111 Ritson Street Liverpool 8.

There are a few Thomas Reynolds listed, but do we know his occupation?

None in the Garston area and others around Liverpool and Birkenhead.

Jan

Post by **42aitch** » 09 Nov 2008 13:06

Hi Tina & Jan & Jim

Tina you are like a dog with a bone, won't let anything go

Thanks for the death of William, that will be him he was born 7th March 1839 (My Birthday - No, not that year though

Thanks also for the 1938 for Ellen Reynolds still at 18 Banks Road.

I don't think that the Francis you found is our Francis as the address was 18 Banks Road on the war records.

Did they have caravans in 1901!!!!!

Thanks again for all your help

Eileen

Post by **Tina** » 09 Nov 2008 20:52

They most certainly did Eileen.

Here's a photo taken at Seaview Luxury Holiday Resort in Rhyl.
This caravan would have been 3 half star, plenty of shade, secure, pneumatic tyres for added comfort.

and here's the family, Ellen looking lovely in white, Thomas just behind her, fearless Mum Alice is having a dip.

Tina

Post by **MaryA** » 09 Nov 2008 20:55

What are you like

Post by **42aitch** » 09 Nov 2008 21:10

Tina

Are those photos copyright or can I copy them for the family scrapbook

You would think they could have given the caravan a coat of paint!!!!

Eileen

Post by **Dominex** » 09 Nov 2008 23:10

Did there used to be stocks infront of the caravan? Look like someone had a few misses

Sue