CULLODEN

Post by **jan44** » 06 Aug 2008 13:53

Hi June,

I looked in the 1914 Directory and there is a William Culloden Frame Maker listed at 10 Willmott St Everton.

At 88 Westbourne St in 1914 was John Wren - Tailor.

There is alos a Vine St listed in Everton, the streets off it were Crown Place, Walnut Street and Oxford Street.

Jan

Post by **doreen** » 06 Aug 2008 14:08

Hi June, not sure if you would get the death certificate details at the library, with the date and place of death you would be able to find the burial place .

The 1901 shows his actual address was VineTerr, this was off Salisbury St, South Everton . If you go back to the image you will see above it South Everton and District 7 . Click onto South Everton, on the following page click District 7 this will show the Enumerators walk .

Salisbury St is near Everton Brow and not far from the City, Westbourne Street is also near the City close to Shaw St .

There are some photos on the the link below showing how close the south part of Everton is to the City .

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/eve ... uryst.html

Doreen .

Post by **doreen** » 06 Aug 2008 14:23

Hi Jan, just seen your post, think the death cert is needed June if you need more info about Westbourne St . It wasnt a Workhouse of sorts, as this would have shown in the directories .

Doreen .

Post by **northmeols** » 06 Aug 2008 15:39

I don't know if this is relevent or not but I remember my grandparents talking about a certain aunt who was widowed and ran what we might call a hospice today. she took in the sick and nursed them for a while untill they could go home. she always had kids there sometimes older persons who had been injured and had no one to tend to them. maybe william was staying in a place like that when he died. many of them were close to the workhouse hospitals so they could get to a doctor quick. my gg aunt was over by the old southport promenade hospital. just a thought take it or leave it.

Post by **JuneMarie** » 06 Aug 2008 17:19

It's a nice thought Susan, and I will hang on to it, I will apply for a copy of the death cert now.

I have the place and the date Doreen, and my ultimate desire is to find his burying place. I can't thank you enough for all your kind efforts, believe me.

I am indebted to you Jan for that piece of information, the plot does thicken though.

From what I have learnt from you folk since I posted my query only yesterday, I am now looking for William's uncle, same name, as possibly being the White Smith, as 'my' William was always described as a Picture Frame maker, or Frame maker, all his working life.
I found my William on the 1901, along with his 3rd (4th) wife and 4 year old, I also found his daughter's marriage, but after that she appeared to disappear from the face of the earth. Emigrated? maybe.

I have much more information now should I go to the Record Office, meantime will send off for the death certificate.

Thanks again, and just hope I can reciprocate at some later date

June

Post by **shirley** » 06 Aug 2008 17:33

Hi
There was a VINE street off MYRTLE street, which I think now is classed as Toxteth.This would be nearer the workhouse in Brownlow Hill
Shirley

Post by **Hawker** » 06 Aug 2008 18:22

Hi
If you go onto google maps you will see vine street is off myrtle street

Post by **JuneMarie** » 07 Aug 2008 10:31

Hi Shirley and Sue,

I did that and found it, I know exactly where it is in relation to
the City Centre now, how strange the archivist should tell me it was not on any map, in all fairness we got there late, we had barely an hour to research, as had been held up with traffic and the parade, we did visit that area funnily enough before returning to Wales, and unknowingly must have driven past Vine Street.
It is a long time since I lived in Liverpool and had to ask the way a few times, everybody was so helpful, one fellow didn't know where William Brown Street was, and he kindly got on his mobile and checked the route for us, you can't beat that.
Roll on the next visit!

Best wishes,
June

Post by **Hawker** » 07 Aug 2008 17:40

Hi
Just out of interest did the marriage of Margaret Coffey and william Culloden take place, only I have a Margaret Coffey as awitness at a wedding in 1919 and aphoto of her- could possibly be a relative of the Margaret who married William

Post by **JuneMarie** » 10 Aug 2008 10:44

Hi Sue,

I didn't see this until just now, I didn't get an alert

They did marry, that is William Culloden and Margaret Coffey,
and that is very interesting that you should have her as a witness and also a photograph of her. I should love to see it.

I am in contact with a cousin in New Zealand, who has just e-mailed me to ask me if I have these details, I am going to have to get a copy of the marriage cert by all accounts, as there are two William Cullodens, mine is the nephew of the elder.

Will any records available at the Record Office show the parents? Or is that just wishful thinking

Cheers,
June

Post by **Tina** » 10 Aug 2008 11:31

Hi folks
Wm Culloden married Margaret Coffey
St Simon's Lpool 1899
from Lancs BMD
Tina
BTW a Whitesmith occupation would have nothing at all to do with a frame maker.

Post by **Hawker** » 10 Aug 2008 11:36

Hi
I will try and send the photo and marriage cert were Margaret is a witness, Hopefully later today or tomorrow. Im having some work done in the house at the moment and cant find things but I am sure I have a copy on the computer. The other witness was Patrick Cunningham and it is the marriage of Mary Ellen Roberts and Thomas Schink at Our lady of Reconciliation.

Post by **JuneMarie** » 10 Aug 2008 11:38

I have that marriage Tina - and thanks.

This would be William's fourth marriage if I cannot establish that one of these marriages is actually his uncle of the same name.

Thanks for looking it up.

June

Post by **Hawker** » 10 Aug 2008 11:44

Hi
Also it wont be the same Margaret Coffey but possibly a relative of hers as the wedding is in the 1920s.

Post by **JuneMarie** » 10 Aug 2008 11:52

Whenever you have a minute Tina, and I much appreciate this
and thanks again.

Post by **JuneMarie** » 10 Aug 2008 12:00

SUE!

Was at cross purposes for a moment there

William and Margaret had a daughter, also Margaret, but of course she is named Margaret Culloden. William was 61, and Margaret Coffey a widow, so it is possible the child was of another union. I don't know.
But like you say, hardly unlikely it would be the same Margaret Coffey as I presume the photo is of a younger woman?

I am wondering if the complete marriage cert is available to view at the Records Office, I doubt it but it worth asking.

Thanks again Sue.

Post by **Hawker** » 10 Aug 2008 12:03

Hi
If you know the name of the church and the quarter then it can be looked up in the Records office.

Post by **JuneMarie** » 10 Aug 2008 12:51

Liverpool - here I come! Aw thanks again Sue, that's fantastic.

June

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researching CULLODEN; SHERIDAN AND KIRWIN

Post by **Tina** » 11 Aug 2008 08:25

Hi June Marie
Wm Culloden was born in Macclesfield, he's 61 in 1901 picture frame maker.
1851 is Wm 9yrs with his father Patrick who was bn Brit Colonies??
and in 1881 aged 36 picture frame maker in Manchester?? Wife May bn Ire assorted kiddies inc James 12 & Mary 11.
In 1871 there's a Wm Culloden listed as 22 could be 32 bn Ire picture frame maker in Manchester married to Mary A bn Ire kiddies James 2 & Mary 1.
I'll post this as I've had it open quite a while

Tina

Post by **Tina** » 11 Aug 2008 08:42

Lo tis me again
There's a birth in W Dby dec qtr 1896 for Margt Culloden.
also a marriage W Dby 1915 for a Margt Culloden to Sydney H Gillman.
Who's her Mum??
As for William & Wives...he's doin' me 'ead in

Tina