"The parish Church" 1842 St Nicholas or St Peter's?

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"The parish Church" 1842 St Nicholas or St Peter's?

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I'm having difficulty with a marriage certificate stating that a marriage took place in "The Parish Church of Liverpool" in 1842. Some years ago, before the records were on line, I thought I had decided this meant St Nicholas, but now, having looked on-line, I see that Family Search and Ancestry have the records but saying they are from St Peter's (though they are using the same information as there's the same typing error in both). The year (1842) is omitted from the Lancs OPC records. I can't remember now what convinced me it was St Nicholas in the first place except it's in my notes and I had thought I'd investigated it sufficiently to be confident. Any suggestions would be very welcome as I'm stuck. Looking at online info on the churches hasn't helped. Their children were baptised in a Catholic church, so no clues there either.
Thomas Wrigley
and Mary Sharp
18 Sep 1842.
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Newspaper snippet is much later, 1890s.

John Douglas Lord was made curate of Liverpool parish church, 1893 (Newspaper snippet)

If you can track him on a marriage cert, etc. around that time, it may help.


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Well I'm interested to hear whether anybody has any different information as I always thought St Peters was the Parish Church/ProCathedral until its demise in 1922, but now you have got me wondering.
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They were married by the Curate of Liverpool, Rev Thomas Halton. Looking at newspaper announcements, he was officiating at marriages at both St Nicholas' and St Peter's in 1841/2. No help there.

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From the Liverpool Parish Church Website https://www.livpc.co.uk/our_church/church_history.html

Seventeenth and Eighteenth Centuries
During the Civil War, the Parliamentarians, who were defending the nearby Liverpool Castle, surrendered and were imprisoned in the church. In 1699, the Parish of Liverpool, with a population of about 5,000, was created as an independent parish in its own right and had two churches: Our Lady and St Nicholas (often called the ‘Old Church’ or St Nicholas) and a new parish church of St Peter. The new parish had the highly unusual arrangement of having two Rectors, who were to be of equal status and to preach alternately in both the churches.
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1829 directory and 1826 newspaper snippet, Rev Thomas Kidd, Parish church of Liverpool.

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Thanks very much to you all for the helpful suggestions and thanks for looking up the vicar and trying to work it out from that angle, which I have to confess I hadn't thought of. A bit confusing! I suppose the evidence suggests it is likely that the online records are correct and the parish church referred to was St Peter's. A pity as there's nothing to see there any more!

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Thanks for the link. I had read there was a cross to mark the position of the demolished church but hadn't seen it.

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Not sure if this helps or not but Bishops Transcripts are on family Search. First page of 1837 is headed to the effect Bishops Transcripts for Liverpool Parish Church St Peters.

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Very useful thank you martiny and welcome to the forum.
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And an additional message from a member of our forum who is rather poorly and not able to keep up posts on the boards.

I think it worth pointing out that the use of “St Anne” it its current title is quite modern and results from the closure of the church in St Anne Street and the consequent change in parish boundaries. I think Ancestry are applying the new name to old records, which is not correct.
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