Thomas Greenwood mitchell on 1911 census

[lynne99]

Hi, The late and very helpful Dickie Sam found this in for me some time ago.
RG14
Piece: 22522
Reference: RG14PN22522 RG78PN1325 RD455 SD8 ED9 SN290
Registration District: West Derby
CLARKE, Esther Head Widow F 40 1871 Shirt Ironer Lancs Liverpool
MITCHELL, Thomas Son M 12 1899 At School Lancs Blackburn
States 20 years married, 9 children only 4 still living. (from dickie Sam)
Esther Clark(e) is his mother mmn Mitchell.

They were at 26, Lance St, Everton.

I have spent all day trying to find this on Ancestry and failed miserably.
I was hoping to find out more about the other children she may have had. I have only 1 other child. William Clark born and died 1892. Can't find him on GRO as a birth either. Not a lot of luck today. Any help would be very nice. Thanks in anticipation

[Bertieone]

1911
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/ ... 22_0579_03

[Bertieone]

1901,
Blackburn,

Ether E Mitchell 29
Alice Mitchell 7
Thomas G Mitchell 1
Ann Brandwood 43

RG13 p3908 F183 P12

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/s ... sePUB=true

[Bertieone]

William?

[lynne99]

I am having a frustrating day !!! Just spent a long time thanking you and giving you some more bits. Pushed post and lost it.
I will try again tomorrow.
Yes, I do think that is him..... with an e
Thanks

[Bertieone]

If at first you don't succeed.......................

[lynne99]

Give up.... That is the answer.
My great grandparents , William Mitchell and Eliza Agnes Harvey from Liverpool, had 7 or 8 children. 2 died as infants. Alice Mitchell b 1894 Widnes , is down Esther 's daughter in 1901 census. When I check the GRO mmn is given as Harvey, implying that she is child of William and Eliza. Could thid be due to covering a birth out of Ester's marriage. She would have been 24 at the time. Or is she Eliza's daughter . she was 40 and it was 10 years since her last child.
Alice after the 1901 census and Ester's husband's death was sent to Canada . 1905 to Quebec Canada on the "Tunisian", Age 11, May 1905. Mrs Birt's party; Knowlton P.Q. Port of departure Liverpool Arrived 27th May 1905. I wonder if she was asked? 3 of her cousins were also sent at the same time. I have not been able to trace Alice any further than her arival in Quebec.

Thanks again for your help.

[Bertieone]

Lynne,

I suspect Alice was Eliza's daughter also, there might be ten years between her last child but there's no way of knowing how many she may have lost during pregnancy.

Even though the 1911 census had sections entered wrongly and handy it was, still puzzling who she had the 9 children with. When did husband Edward Clarke pass?

Do you know Alice Mitchell's full date of birth?

[lynne99]

Edward Clark(e) died 1898 in Blackburn. I have not got an exact d of b for Alice, but would be willing to send for a birth certificate if that would be useful.
On a second point how do you use anc to get a census if you have the numbers and the address?? ]
Most of my family are difficult to find.
Thanks for your help.

[Bertieone]

Edward Clark(e) died 1898 in Blackburn. I have not got an exact d of b for Alice, but would be willing to send for a birth certificate if that would be useful.
On a second point how do you use anc to get a census if you have the numbers and the address?? ]
Most of my family are difficult to find.
Thanks for your help.

I asked about Alice's birth date because we would be better armed should we come across a likely match, also if she came back she may show up, 39 reg or at death.

Ancestry is always a pain trying to find addresses, try directories near to the census year to pick up names in the street or road and search for them, then you can walk the street looking for yours. Same with Electoral Rolls, enter Street in Keyword the year before census and do the same.

If for example you want to search the 1871 census, UK census collection, below, England census, there it has the facility to enter reference numbers.

As always help available here.

[lynne99]

It is the 1911 census again, I have found it before and noted the piece number, etc and address. But anc won't let me find it again. This is 2 x in 2 weeks.

[lynne99]

PDF ordered. I will let you know when I do. Thanks

[Bertieone]

It is the 1911 census again, I have found it before and noted the piece number, etc and address. But anc won't let me find it again. This is 2 x in 2 weeks.

If you enter name, 26 Lance St, Piece 22522, it will be top of first page,

Enter, 26 Lance St, Piece 22522, 2nd page, it gets you in to Lance St.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/colle ... 11england/


Just a matter of interest, is Greenwood a family name on your tree? and Thomas is named after one of those?

Noticed 2 pages previous on the 1901 census for Esther, there's a Thomas Greenwood, I wonder.

[lynne99]

Still no luck. This is the family I am trying to find in 1911
11a Mount Vernon Rd, Low Hill Liverpool.
RG14
Piece: 22586
Reference: RG14PN22586 RG78PN1326 RD455 SD9 ED34 SN197
Registration District: West Derby
FLETCHER, Alexr Head Married M 53 1858 House Painter Lanark Glasgow Resident

I have not found any one else with the name Greenwood. I will look at the 1901 as you say.
No birth cert yet.

[Bertieone]

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/ ... 86_0393_03

[lynne99]

I wonder if it was him (aged 68) or his son perhaps, who was the father !! Bit of a coincidence hey. I have noted it on my tree. Thanks for that

[lynne99]

Thanks it must have been mistranscribed as Hitcher !!! Thanks so much

[lynne99]

Oh my goodness, what a can of worms.!!
Alice's birth cert has arrived.
Mother Esther Ellen Mitchell formerly Harvey.
Father James Edward Mitchell
D of Birth 8 th Jan 1894. Prescot. Address Widnes.

I now do not have a clue who she belongs to.
My Mitchell family starts with John Mitchell b c 1812 Banffshire Scotland died 1845 Work accident . He married Esther Ellen Bradshaw b c 1818 in Allerton. They married Aug 1838 in St Nicks Liverpool.

They had 4 children that I know of, all sons.
Alexander Edmund b 1840 Allerton
John 1842
James 1844
William 1845 The last 3 registered West Derby.
Now comes the difficulty
William Married Eliza Agnes Harvey (My great grand parents) and the parents of Esther Ellen Mitchell. That was her birth name, not a married name, but her mother was a Harvey.

James Mitchell b 1844 married Alice Steakin and they had a child James Edward b 1869 Liverpool. Esther Ellen's cousin
I have no Ester Ellen Harvey.

Hope this mess makes sense and someone can help me sort it. Thanks Lynne

[Bertieone]

Lynne,

You will know there isn't a marriage for James Edward/Esther Mitchell/Harvey.

Possible, they both registered the child as a married couple and used her mothers maiden to keep the pretence.

If they were cousins, it was permitted to have a relationship or even marry.

[lynne99]

That sounds about right, Her husband had died 1898 in the October quarter? Or at least that is the date I have for him. So she had this child while she was still married. Perhaps I have the death wrong.
The 1911 census says she had 9 children, 4 still living. So far I have only found 3 children,
of which 2 are still living in 1911. Thanks for the help.