Found an Elite Heyes line in Poor Hayes' wife's line

[Alannah]

While still hunting for the correct William Hayes & Elizabeth Lunt 1805 ish Liverpool,Grandfather to my Orphan Charles sent from Liverpool Sheltering Home to Canada 1894, I switched over to Charles' wife's Moores in Stratford 1610 period when I suddenly saw a picture of Captain Peter Dutton's wife (who I did not have in my tree) Elizabeth HAYES. She was daughter of Sir Thomas Hayes lord mayor of London 1620's and his line went back through the de la Haye's (including John de la haye beheaded by Henry VII during Perkin Warbeck rebellion) through the Norman de la Haye's who came over with Wm Conqueror with I believe his 6 sons who started populating England with the name so I've read. The tree then goes back to few hundred years of Vikings. So I have two Hayes lines on my Mother's side. On a hunch I thought could one of the lines from Yorkshire, Lincolnshire and Cheshire have gone to Liverpool?

And it did through Captain Edward Hayes who was involved in colonizing the new world written up in old book on https://www.hslc.org.uk/journal/vol-111 ... 1-3-quinn/ . I discovered his father Richard was born in West Derby as his father Edward (great grandson of the beheaded John) had moved there. So I have 200 years to uncover if I want to see if my hunch of tying the two lines togeth has any merit.

Captain Edward left the area so I have been tracking his siblings which has been fun because this family is an ingrained part of West Derby and Everton history. I have been going through the old out of print books (keyword heyes) and found a lot of property info. https://www.hslc.org.uk/archive/search- ... uery=heyes . My 'poor' Hayes' team a guy in Liverpool (on this forum I believe as he reminded me that I should post this info here) and a researcher for a Hayes 'cousin' in Yorkshire are seriously narrowing down by eliminating one Wm Hayes family after another (but I will put that in my thread on that family) and they are all WD kirkdale and Everton one family we traced lived all around the old village of Everton and near Hayes Street and one of their addresses is interesting because when I matched up the old everton map with google today that house was right at the location where the old Heyes cottages were described mentioned in one of the old books.
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The cottages which skirt the deep brow rising from Netherfield Road were built about 1693, and among them we have another toffee establishment kept by Mrs. Cooper, which has been in her family for more than fifty years. The shambles near these cottages are supposed by some to be of very ancient date, but they have been erected within the last thirty-five years only. In the narrow part of the street leading from the village to the commencement of Church Street there are two cottages, built by an old and respectable Everton family of the name of Heyes before alluded to, one is dated 1688 ; the other is dated 1784. Where Rupert Lane, Church Street, I . Everton Village, and Breck Road meet was anciently called "Four lane ends."

From: https://www.hslc.org.uk/wp-content/uplo ... ehouse.pdf

After many disputes, at last in 1667, the Everton copyholders agreed
to pay the Earl of Derby 12 years' rent, of their ancient rent, and permit
him to enclose 69 acres of the commons land for self and heirs, on
condition that he would confirm their copyhold rents certain for ever,
with the privilege of the other two-thirds left unenclosed, amounting
to 120 acres. This agreement is dated 1st January, 1667. It is
probable that the Heyeses availed themselves of this arrangement to
build their house, which still stands in Everton Village and bears
date as follows: 1688

I have found nothing on Capt Edward's siblings Richard, Raphe, John and Alice but I believe I tracked Lawrence to Blackburn but lost track there are a lot of heyes there. and there are no other trees on ancestry with the family at this point. here is my tree if anyone is interested https://www.ancestry.ca/family-tree/per ... 6270/facts

My Question: For the Elite Heyes family does anyone know how I could trace the land re: 2 items above and below marked with **** below to maybe see how long the heirs owned it in my attempt to see what happened to them and Everton during that period?

Property
1557 • West Derby, Lancashire
Richard Heye turned over his lands in West Derby, Kirkdale and Everton (Yearton) to his eldest surviving son Edward Sr.

Property
1559 • West Darby
Grandfather Richard. is selling manors of West Derby and Kirkdale largely to Molyneux and Moore between 1559-1580, but kept large amt of WD leaving it to his children

Property ****
1577 • West Derby
Edward Heyes "Edwarde Heyis" Westdarby gent to Rauf Standishe Henrye Longworthe of Westdarbye gents of capital messuage in Westdarbye for Edward Heyes for life then John youngest son &heirs male and successively to Richard Rauf Lawrence Ed & Alice

Property
Apr 1579 • West Darby
Alice wife and Richard son/heir to John Molyneux Croxsteth of 'The Accres Fieldes" in West Derbie, part of a messuage called "le Town rowe", for £100 DDM 52, nos. 25-6, 6 April 1579, 9 July 1580).

1579
Will
1598 • West Derby, Lancashire
Edward Sr made a will

1598
Death of Father Edward Heyes(1530–1602)
1602 • West Derby, Lancashire, England

[MaryA]

That's quite some research you are undertaking, good luck with it and I hope you will keep us up to date with your findings.

In the Record Office you may well find mention of the family in Rent and Rate Books etc, and have you tried looking at Wills, not just of the Heyes/Hayes name but also other possibly related names that might mention your family in them. This would be the likely site to do such searches although the actual copies may be held in Lancashire Record Office (Preston) or even the Cheshire Archives. http://user.xmission.com/~nelsonb/lws.htm

[Alannah]

Thank you Mary great idea I don't know why I didn't go there.. the poor ones are haunting me.