Ooh dat pesky Rosalina!

[lost_in_space]

Rosalind Scott was the daughter of Daniel & Catherine Scott. In the 1881 Census she is 9-years-old and living at 6 Ivy Terrace, Burnet St, Liverpool. Along with some (but not all, of her other siblings) she seemingly vanishes. Can't find her on the following census and can't find a marriage or death (bear in mind I'm still a newbie), any ideas? Thanks.

[retiringtype]

Her name was Rosalina per her baptism record and the GRO birth index.

[Blue70]

Just to clarify where the address was, Ivy Terrace was also known as court number 2. Burnet Street was off Vauxhall Road and previously called Ivy Street:-

c1890s





Blue

[lost_in_space]

Her name was Rosalina per her baptism record and the GRO birth index.

Crikey, I think you might have cracked it! The date fits and on the census form the 'd' in Rosalind could very well be an 'a'. It just goes to show that a single letter can send you on a time-consuming wild goose chase. Many thanks, retiringtype.

[lost_in_space]

Just to clarify where the address was, Ivy Terrace was also known as court number 2. Burnet Street was off Vauxhall Road and previously called Ivy Street:-

c1890s

Blue

Blue, that's a fab little map! It's interesting to see the layout of the area at that time. Is it okay for me to save a copy of that image? Many thanks for your help.

[Blue70]

Just to clarify where the address was, Ivy Terrace was also known as court number 2. Burnet Street was off Vauxhall Road and previously called Ivy Street:-

c1890s

Blue

Blue, that's a fab little map! It's interesting to see the layout of the area at that time. Is it okay for me to save a copy of that image? Many thanks for your help.

Right click and save


Blue

[lost_in_space]

Right click and save

Blue

Okey dokey. Thanks.

[erika]

Just to add, it seems with Catholic baptisms, marriages etc, all the names ended with an "a" in their records.

I think you have some records on your tree in Ancestry lost_in_space which you can see are similar. So maybe she is Rosalind after all.

Still a mystery though, have they gone back to Ireland, or even France seeing as Daniel was born there?

Cheers
Erika

[retiringtype]

Do you know what became of father Daniel Scott? He seems to be born in Naples in some records, Marseilles in the 1881 census

[lost_in_space]

Just to add, it seems with Catholic baptisms, marriages etc, all the names ended with an "a" in their records.

I think you have some records on your tree in Ancestry lost_in_space which you can see are similar. So maybe she is Rosalind after all.

Still a mystery though, have they gone back to Ireland, or even France seeing as Daniel was born there?

Cheers
Erika

Erika, I didn't know that I have a tree on Ancestry! I don't have a subscription with them, only one with FMP. Thanks for the info on Catholic baptisms etc. I haven't found Rosalina/Rosalind as yet after the 1881 Census, but I'll keep trying!

[MaryA]

The birth registration was actually Rosalina

Births Dec 1872
Scott Rosalina Liverpool 8b 6

[lost_in_space]

Do you know what became of father Daniel Scott? He seems to be born in Naples in some records, Marseilles in the 1881 census

Not yet, as you say he doesn't appear to know when, where or even what country he was born in! I suspect Daniel may have been a bit of a fantasist, or maybe he was overly fond of magic mushrooms, sadly, we'll never know. I have ordered a copy of his marriage certificate which may shed some light on things.

[lost_in_space]

The birth registration was actually Rosalina

Births Dec 1872
Scott Rosalina Liverpool 8b 6

It is indeed, Mary, as retiringtype originally mentioned. I even managed to find it myself on BMD yesterday.

[erika]

The tree on Ancestry is owned by Paul Bettey and he seems to have traced Robert Scott's descendants. Not sure if you can see that if you can access Ancestry.
He doesn't seem to have found out later census for the Scott family either.
The marriage of Daniel and Catherine is also on Ancestry.

Cheers
Erika

[Bertieone]

The image I assume is the marriage of Rosalina's sister, Elizabeth.

Charles Wilson/Elizabeth Scott, St Sylvester, 1901.

Elizabeth and Charles both gave Burnet St as their address, I suspect Charles gave that address for the Banns. His mother, Jane Wilson lived at 49 Gordon St, 1901 census, RG13 P3473 F146 P39.

Elizabeth's marriage address was 4court, 3house, Burnet St, may have been the family address. FMP address search?

[lost_in_space]

The tree on Ancestry is owned by Paul Bettey and he seems to have traced Robert Scott's descendants. Not sure if you can see that if you can access Ancestry.
He doesn't seem to have found out later census for the Scott family either.
The marriage of Daniel and Catherine is also on Ancestry.

Cheers
Erika

Thanks Erika, I'll have a looksee at Ancestry this evening.

[lost_in_space]

The image I assume is the marriage of Rosalina's sister, Elizabeth.

Charles Wilson/Elizabeth Scott, St Sylvester, 1901.

Elizabeth and Charles both gave Burnet St as their address, I suspect Charles gave that address for the Banns. His mother, Jane Wilson lived at 49 Gordon St, 1901 census, RG13 P3473 F146 P39.

Elizabeth's marriage address was 4court, 3house, Burnet St, may have been the family address. FMP address search?

Some ace detective work there Bertieone! I presume that's Latin? Thanks for deciphering it! That will keep me busy for a while! Thanks again.

[retiringtype]

3 House in 4 Court, Burnet Street in the 1901 census was occupied by Catherine Boyd, 32, and her children, and also a John Whyte & family.

However 1 House in 4 Court was occupied by Catherine Gill, 30 , and her children Daniel 14, Rose A, 12, Winifred 8, Michael 4 and John 2. The 1891 census shows her at 5 Burnet Street aged 29 with husband Thomas Gill 29, and children Daniel 5, Rosanna 3 and Catherine 5 months. This is Catherine Scott. She married Thomas Gill in 1888 at St James the Less. It looks like Daniel was born out of wedlock.

[lost_in_space]

3 House in 4 Court, Burnet Street in the 1901 census was occupied by Catherine Boyd, 32, and her children, and also a John Whyte & family.

However 1 House in 4 Court was occupied by Catherine Gill, 30 , and her children Daniel 14, Rose A, 12, Winifred 8, Michael 4 and John 2. The 1891 census shows her at 5 Burnet Street aged 29 with husband Thomas Gill 29, and children Daniel 5, Rosanna 3 and Catherine 5 months. This is Catherine Scott. She married Thomas Gill in 1888 at St James the Less. It looks like Daniel was born out of wedlock.

This is my Scott family...

1881 Census

Household: 6 Ivy Terrace, Burnet St

Daniel Scott, Head, age 39 Marseilles???
Catherine Scott, Wife, age 36 Waterford, Ireland
Mary Scott, Missing – married?
Catherine/Kate Scott, Daughter, age 19 Liverpool, Lancashire
Daniel Scott, Son, age 15 Liverpool, Lancashire
Robert Scott, Son, age 12 Liverpool, Lancashire
Rosalina/Rosalind Scott, Daughter, age 9 Liverpool, Lancashire
Margaret Scott, Daughter, age 5 Liverpool, Lancashire
Elizabeth Scott, Daughter, age 2 Liverpool, Lancashire

Are we talking two different families, retiringtype, or have I missed something somewhere?

[retiringtype]

I am pretty sure that the Catherine Gill in Burnet Street in 1891 and 1901 is your Catherine/Kate Scott born circa 1861. The age is correct in 1891 but 10 years out in 1901 - possibly a transcription error by the enumerator.

The 1888 Catherine Scott/Thomas Gill marriage is on FamilySearch. Her father was Daniel Scott.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFX2-Y54