Ellen Sword/Ellen Gibson

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Re: Ellen Sword/Ellen Gibson

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Bertieone wrote: Thomas H Sword, Deaths at Sea, 1913,

can't open it.
Nor for me, must need to visit a centre.

Just came across this and wondered if you may be interested. On the National Archives site "Download our lesson '#Caribbeanhistory in photographs' for free! Just one of the amazing #education resources available on our website. #KS3"

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Re: Ellen Sword/Ellen Gibson

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Deaths at Sea 1913

Name: Thomas Henry Sword
Rank: First Mate
Born: Liverpool
Address: 62, Albion Street, Liverpool.
Name of ship: x Dunreggan
Ship number 99, 862
Port of Registry: Glasgow
Net Tonnage:1,476
Date of death: Supposed 25th September 1913
Place: At sea
Cause: Supposed drowned
Remarks: Ship missing.
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There are some newspaper reports regarding the ship Dunreggan, available on FMP.
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Re: Ellen Sword/Ellen Gibson

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Thanks again for so many leads - I would never have thought of following the lines of enquiry you folks have!

The leads for Thomas Henry's ship and his subsequent drowning were very interesting and on Ancestry I even came across the certificates he earned while rising from being a 2nd mate on a ship to being master - a certificate he gained a mater of months before the tragedy.
Similarly, I was intrigued to learn that Thomas Taylor had been a Freemason. I'll certainly take a look at the 'Caribbean history lesson' even though it seems to be dealing with a period a few years after JT was there.

I am a bit confused by Thomas Henry's death: would a death certificate not have been issued even though he was assumed drowned? I don't seem able to find an official death entry. Also, the familysearch obit that is proving difficult to open refers the the 'event place' being St Catherine - is this the area where the death was registered?

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Re: Ellen Sword/Ellen Gibson

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Glen,

There is no entry in the GRO Marine Deaths Indices nor the records of British Nationals who died overseas. It appears that no death certificate was issued (as no body was recovered). The only official record is in The National Archives BT 334 - Registry of Shipping and Seamen: Registers and Indexes of Births, Marriages and Deaths of Passengers and Seamen at Sea 1891-1972.

The most detailed information you're likely to find about the loss of the ship is from the link Bert posted http://www.plimsoll.org/resources/sccli ... /20238.asp.

The ship was reported missing after leaving Callao (Peru) and bound for Iquique (Chile) so there may be some newspaper reports in the South American papers of the time, if they exist.

There is some suggestion in the Western Mail 21st January 1914 that several of the crew were either discharged or deserted and substitutes engaged before leaving Callao on the 25th September, 1913. Who they were would take an enormous amount of research to compare with the official list from Port Talbot.
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Re: Ellen Sword/Ellen Gibson

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Also, Masters & Mates Certificates,

Andrew Sword, Born, 1866, Antigua.

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/s ... &ml_rpos=6

Death at Sea,
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/ ... PUBJs=true
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Re: Ellen Sword/Ellen Gibson

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Marriage,


Andrew Sword
Age:
32
Birth Date:
1866
Marriage Date:
1898
Marriage
Great Grimsby, St.James Church, Lincoln, England
Fathers
Thomas Taylor Sword, Isaac Sharpley Odling
Spouse
Ann Odling
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Re: Ellen Sword/Ellen Gibson

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I've been having a lovely time following up the leads you have sent me - really building up a picture of this family!

I haven't got any credits for FMP at the moment but I know the Western mail newspaper entry Louis mentioned is there so I will be interested to read this.

I've also noticed there are newspaper mentions of the 'Genfuin' which Andrew Sword Jnr lost his life on and I will follow these up too - he appears to have been the master of the vessel.

The other brother, William, is also on the 'Register of Apprentices' Indentures' - he signed up a month after Andrew in August 1884 but his port of enrolment was Dundee and, like Andrew, he was 'bound' for 4 years.

I wonder if any of you can help me with these questions:
1) what happened to William Sword?
2) any ideas why he would have enrolled in Dundee?

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