Looking for Martha HALL and Robert ROBERTS

[Bertieone]

Susan Alice Roberts
Baptism Date:
7 Apr 1904
Baptism Place:
Toxteth Park, St John the Baptist, Lancashire, England

Parents, Robert Roberts, Fireman,
Martha,
9 Rankin Street

Birth reg, Mothers maiden name, Hall.

[MaryA]

"Fire Watcher"

Looks like that to me too.

[Bertieone]

Deaths Jun 1906

Roberts Susan Alice 2 Toxteth Park 8b 129

[Bertieone]

ROBERTS, WILLIAM HENRY HALL
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 156

Died, 1910, 4 months old, Children's Infirmary
buried, Walton Park.

[Bertieone]

1901 census,

Rankin Street
RG13 P3430 F39 P17



Some of the names repeated in the Robert & Martha marriage,

William Hall 44
Susan Hall 32
Martha Hall 14
Susan Hall 11
Emily Hall 9
Louisa Hall 5
Mary J Hall 1
Jane Lundberg 17

[Bertieone]

The above couple marriage,

William Hall
Susan Putterill
Swinton St Peter,

Registration, Barton upon Irwell 1886, 8c 877.

The above in 1911 lived in Beresford Place, had a child born Lillian, 1910, another name used for Martha/Robert's children. It seems Martha named her daughters after her sisters?

Lillian Roberts, 1920, Thornton Place, marriage.

Beresford Rd, Rankin St, Thornton Place, are all within spitting distance and crop up regular in the records, Park Rd is also close by.

[Bertieone]

I believe Martha Hall was born out of wedlock,

PUTTERILL, MARTHA, no mothers maiden name
GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in BARTON UPON IRWELL Volume 08C Page 589

[confused247]

I believe Martha Hall was born out of wedlock,

PUTTERILL, MARTHA, no mothers maiden name
GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in BARTON UPON IRWELL Volume 08C Page 589

Does this mean the surname Batmisson is not related to this family and Susan Putterill is Martha’s mother, married to William? All these names are confusing.

Who is Jane Lundberg? A Swedish surname? I can’t see the file very well on my mobile. Is she a lodger?

[Bertieone]

Jane (Janet) Lundberg was a boarder and her occupation was domestic servant, haven't checked but I think unrelated.

I think Mary posted the Batmission as a possible for a Martha Hall birth.

Until I can prove myself wrong and I will if need be, I believe Susan Hall, nee, Putterill is Martha's mother and that Martha went on to marry Robert Roberts.

The Robert and Martha you seek.

Have you got Ancestry?

[Bertieone]

An opinion on what happened,

Susan Putterill gave birth to Martha before marriage, Martha Putterill was registered during the Oct-Nov-Dec quarter 1886, if Martha was born 25 Aug, 1886, a December Quarter registration was still permissible. If she registered Martha on her own, no husband or child's father with her, the child would have to be registered, Putterill.
Soon after, the marriage, Martha then used the name, Hall.

[Bertieone]

Martha's grandfathers death, same address as family, William and Susan Hall, 1901 census,

Toxteth Park Cemetery,
Burial,
PUTTERILL Robert 55 years - 1 court 1 House Rankin Street 24 December 1897

[confused247]

Martha's grandfathers death, same address as family, William and Susan Hall, 1901 census,

Toxteth Park Cemetery,
Burial,
PUTTERILL Robert 55 years - 1 court 1 House Rankin Street 24 December 1897

Thanks again, you’ve been very kind to help me. I have been stuck behind this wall for a while now.

I do have ancestry but no subscription as of yet and will probably sign up in a month or two as I’m currently moving. I’ve looked around when they’ve had free days, but I was struggling to find who I was looking for anyway, so it wasn’t much use.

[Bertieone]

Robert Roberts baptism posted earlier, born 1877.

Parents marriage 1873,
ROBERTS Joseph, CATTERALL Alice, Toxteth Park, St. Thomas Liverpool

[Bertieone]

1891 census,
Rankin Street, 1House 5Court
RG12 P2932 F128 P17

All Born Liverpool,

Joseph Roberts 38 Labourer,
Alice Roberts 34
Robert Roberts 13
Richard Roberts 11
Wm Geo Hy Roberts 5
Hester Catterall 58
Henry Catterall 32

[Bertieone]

Alice's mother, census, (Hester Catterall) is Esther Myers.

Marriage,

Esther Myers
Marital Status:
Single
Marriage Date:
10 Feb 1851
Marriage Place:
St. Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father:
Richard Myers
Spouse:
Richard Cattrall


Richard Cattrall
Marital Status:
Single
Marriage Date:
10 Feb 1851
Marriage Place:
St. Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father:
William Cattrall
Spouse:
Esther Myers

[Bertieone]

1861, Upper Mann St
RG9 P2705 F48 P27,

Robert Roberts 48 Anglesea, Labourer
Eleanor Roberts 47 "
Elizabeth Pursill 22 " Daughter,
Owen Roberts 17 "
Mary Roberts 10 Liverpool
Joseph Roberts 8 "
Ellen Roberts 4 "
Margaret Pursill 7/12 " Gdaughter,

[confused247]

1861, Upper Mann St
RG9 P2705 F48 P27,

Robert Roberts 48 Anglesea, Labourer
Eleanor Roberts 47 "
Elizabeth Pursill 22 " Daughter,
Owen Roberts 17 "
Mary Roberts 10 Liverpool
Joseph Roberts 8 "
Ellen Roberts 4 "
Margaret Pursill 7/12 " Gdaughter,

Oh, wow. Beyond grateful.

Is the ‘Wm Geo Hy’ just an abbreviation of names? William George Henry?

[Bertieone]

Yes,

William George Henry Robert,

Awarded Campaign Medal, Merchant Seaman, WW1

Royal Naval Reserve,
William George Henry Roberts
Birth Date:
Aug 1885
Birth Place:
Liverpool
Service Number:
S 7423

[confused247]

Yes,

William George Henry Robert,

Awarded Campaign Medal, Merchant Seaman, WW1

Royal Naval Reserve,
William George Henry Roberts
Birth Date:
Aug 1885
Birth Place:
Liverpool
Service Number:
S 7423

This is really amazing to find out. I cannot thank you enough.