Peter Roberts - Burial St Patricks Park Place

[Blue70]

The dates for Peter Roberts are confusing the newspaper dated 4th April says the death was Sunday last that would be Sunday 30th March 1828. The date of burial on the Lancs OPC site at St Patrick's says 8th March 1828. Perhaps the earlier date is a purchase?


Blue

[MaryA]

Thanks for the extra background Bert.

Blue, I can't make sense of it myself, the burials for St Patricks are on Ancestry and there are two entries, one for 8th March and another for 5th April.

[MaryA]

Just to let you know, I went to visit St Patricks yesterday morning with a file of information about Peter Roberts and the McDonnells and Tony, the Warden was absolutely delighted and sent his thanks and intends to show the details to some of the ladies of the parish who had taken an interest but not produced anything.

We are mystified of course as to why Mary, Peter's wife isn't buried in the vault but in a general grave, the answer certainly isn't that it was full at the time as there were two other burials in the vault in later years. Perhaps husband and wife just didn't get on

He took me down to see the vault as well, the only one that has a door on it, so can't be sure if there are others still hidden behind brick walls, possibly a couple with some priests, three of whom died of typhus in the 1840's but it's known that one survived - lucky guy. There is a memorial to other priests who are buried (possibly in the cemetery rather than the vaults) as well as St Patricks, some were from St Josephs and one even from St Anthonys.

Your help on this post has been greatly appreciated.

[Blue70]

Hi Mary,

Maybe she didn't like the idea of being in a vault and decided to be buried instead? I think this is probably the memorial you will have seen:-

http://www.liverpoolmonuments.co.uk/pat01.html


Blue

[MaryA]

I think this is probably the memorial you will have seen:-

http://www.liverpoolmonuments.co.uk/pat01.html

Yes that's the one and I believe three of them left Wills/Admons which I may see if they are held in Liverpool - just out of curiosity

[Blue70]

The burials for St Patrick's on Ancestry and Lancs OPC go up to 1841 looking at the grave references there were a lot of multiple burials for example have a look at all the burials in XX from 1839-1841 I wonder what size XX was? The Old Mersey Times link posted by Bert includes information about the use of vaults it was criticised so perhaps people were persuaded to think it was old fashioned or not appropriate. I was surprised to read about pit burials at St Patrick's.

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Liverpool/Tox ... index.html


Blue

[Bertieone]

Blue,

I suspect XX was an area/row, looking back through the years for St Patricks, there was also, AA, BB, KK, and single, H, T, and so on.

XX for example under the heading "Letters" was only interrupted by a vault internment.

[MaryA]

I've split your couple of useful posts from the other message so as not to clutter up a different subject.

I can only say that without documentary evidence, the pit burials are total speculation from seeing what has happened at the side of the church, if you are ever near there yourself you could take a look and give your own opinion, entering the churchyard from the side by the car park, go around to the right of the building and you will see them. I would believe them to be slightly longer than a normal grave and about the same size square, two pits side by side. The assumption being that lime may have been used to do whatever it is that it does *shivering at the thought* so that there was room for more.