Royal Navy and Merchant Seamen

[littlealison]

Thanks both.
I am trying to trace my father's Irish first cousins. Seven boys, six of whom went to sea and at least three of whom have some connection with Liverpool. Their mother Annie MEMERY (nee Andrews) died there in 1956, but I don't know where she lived or when she moved from Dublin.

What I know - birth certificates found in Dublin. And from my uncle's memoirs, probably fairly correct :

William MEMERY b 1892 was on 'White Star Liners to the US and Australia'.
I have a photo of him in White Star uniform, and think he was on the 'Ionic'.

James MEMERY b 1894 went to live in Liverpool and was a 'pilot on the Mersey Approaches'.
He's not apparently in the 1938 directory.

Arthur MEMERY b 1895 was 'Chief Steward on the Liverpool-Dublin Line'

Frederick MEMERY b 1897 was 'Ship's Engineer' and possibly moved to Liverpool.

I have a board covered with photos here but have only identified five of the nine children with certainty - three of the boys!

So far nothing from your links, but I'm not very good at searching the National Archives.
Is it possible to find out more?

[Bertieone]

There's 3 name matches in the 1938 directory,

Frederick Memery, Marine Fireman, 38 Uldale Cl, L11

Arthur Memery, ships Officer, 122 Woodchurch Lane, Prenton, Cheshire.

Jas (James) Memery, Warehouseman, 22 Elms House Rd, L13

[littlealison]

Now that's interesting.

Arthur, Ship's Officer would be 43...sounds like a Chief Steward. Looks like one too.

Frederick would be 41, and Marine Fireman seems right for what the man in the photo I had provisionally decided was him is wearing - dark suit with waistcoat and short close fitting jacket with one row of buttons.....

James? Not sure. If my James, he'd be 42...bit young. I thought a warehouseman would be retired...and there are other James Memerys including his father, but I think he probably would
be in Dublin...on the other hand James's mother was in Liverpool!
I can find very little about the Mersey pilots.

I will see if the houses are still there, too, get some idea what kind of place.
Thanks for this, Bert.

[littlealison]

There's a James Memery born 1868 in the 1939 Register in Liverpool.
Seems that is his dad, then.
No sign of his wife Annie, who is supposed to be still alive, though.

[Bertieone]

Alison,

Do you know if the boys had middle names, William signed W R Memery on one occasion.

[Bertieone]

?
Marriage

Arthur W Memery
Date of Reg
Jan-Feb-Mar 1937
Liverpool
Lancashire
Spouse
Marguerite Memery
Volume Number:
8b
Page Number:
826

[Bertieone]

The 1901 Irish census has him as William Winter Memery, wondering if the chap on the Ionic who signed W R Memery is the same chap, W R born in Dublin, gives the address, 71 Albert Rd Woolwich.

[luxor]

Church of Ireland marriage of James Memery of Ringsend, County Dublin to Annie Andrews, 29th June 1891, in Dublin. James and father William were both 'Fisherman'.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 887540.pdf

[luxor]

Birth of Anne Andrews in North Dublin on 19th December 1865. Parents were Frederick Andrews, House Painter, and Anne Andrews, formerly 'Birmingham'.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 304203.pdf

[luxor]

Birth of James Memery, son of James Memery and Anne Andrews, in Donnybrook, South Dublin, on 28th January 1894:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 853946.pdf

[daggers]

I was about to suggest you looked at the Rootschat forum which has a very long-running thread about Mersey Pilots, but when I went there to copy and paste its link here, I found you had already tried it. Bad luck!

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[luxor]

Irish Genealogy doesn't have an image, but it looks like the marriage of Frederick Andrews and Anne Birmingham took place in Dublin South in Q1, 1863:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... t%3DSearch

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... t%3DSearch

[littlealison]

I posted about half an hour ago and it isn't here!

Repeat, if I can remember. First, thanks, but I have most of the 19th Century records.
Frederick Andrews was my great-grandfather.
William was William Winter. William R was a relative born a year apart.
I have Arthur's marriage but don't know her maiden name.

I want to follow the brothers into the 20th century.
How about brothers John Memery b 1902, and Henry Memery born 1904?
Henry didn't go to sea, and may have died in 1934.

Lets see if this one works!

[luxor]

I have Arthur's marriage but don't know her maiden name.

Marguerite Memery, Q1 1937?

[littlealison]

Yes, but what was she before she married??

[luxor]

Yes, but what was she before she married??

I thought that was her name... but I could be wrong... it has been known... the experts will be along shortly...

Could she be a cousin or wider family member? Or the widow of a brother?

[luxor]

Do you have the marriage of William Winter Memery in 1914?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 579851.pdf

[luxor]

Samuel Winter Memery, born 1899:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 780229.pdf

Robert Victor Memory, born 1900:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... 766553.pdf

[littlealison]

Afraid so....I spent most of last week on this lot!

This is why I'm trying Liverpool....
Found a lot of Memerys but not mine. Anyone found John or Henry?
Oh - they were John Edward Memery and Henry David Memery,

Also there was Robert Victor Memery- he married Kathleen Cooke.
I think that makes seven brothers. And two sisters, Rebecca and Frances.
- and I have all their birth dates.

Luxor, Samuel Winter is the wrong family, sorry.

[luxor]

Luxor, Samuel Winter is the wrong family, sorry.

According to the register, his parents were James Memery ('Trawler') and Annie Andrews?