Latham in Liverpool

[Fandorin101]

Hi all,

I'm trying to trace details (BMD) of a Henry Latham, the father of Thomas Latham (b.1829) in the Liverpool area.

Thomas married in 1852 and the certificate states Thomas's father as Henry, a deceased labourer.

As his life is mainly pre 1837 I'm struggling to get any information.

There are Latham's on the 1831 poll book but I think my ancestors may have been too poor to be eligible for the vote, so this is another family presumably.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Thanks

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

Could you please give the full details from the marriage certificate, including occupations, addresses and witnesses so that we can see the full picture.

[Fandorin101]

Hi, sorry for the delay.

Thomas is listed as a labourer. Living in Cotter St with his soon to be wife, Rachel Killing, also of Cotter St.

Williams Father Henry is listed as a deceased labourer. Rachel's Father Henry is also a labourer.

The witnesses are John Boughley and Anne (cannot read her surname unfortunately).

Thank you

[Bertieone]

Thomas Latham
Baptism Date
28 Jun 1830
Parish:
Liverpool, St Peter,
Father
Henry Latham, Labourer
Mother
Elizabeth Latham
Jordon St?

[MaryA]

The Online Parish Clerk agrees with your interpretation of Jordan Street, Bert and also has another couple of children I would suspect are theirs too.

Baptism: 24 Sep 1833 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Latham - [Child] of Henry Latham & Elizabeth
Abode: Jordan St
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Jno. Robinson Asst. Curate
Register: Baptisms 1833 - 1834, Page 144, Entry 1152
Source: LDS Film 1656421

Baptism: 7 Dec 1834 St James, Toxteth, Lancashire, England
Margaret Latham - Daughter of Henry Latham & Elizabeth
Abode: Hill Street, Toxteth Park
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: John Smith, Minister
Register: Baptisms 1827 - 1835, Page 290, Entry 2315
Source: LDS Film 1468980

[Bertieone]

There appears to be 2 possible marriages,

Henry Latham/Elizabeth Lea, 1817 Liverpool. Put to one side for now, Henry was a Weaver and unlikely to become a labourer.

Henry Latham, Mariner.
Elizabeth Edwards
26 June 1817, St Peters Liverpool.

A Mariner is only a Mariner at sea, if he stayed ashore, an occupation as a labourer is likely.

The baptisms below grouped together show when the Mariners baptisms cease and the labourers begin. It would also depend on the first William dying and renaming another William, not an unusual practice.

Baptism: 2 Sep 1821 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Leathom - [Child] of Henry Leathom & Elizabeth
Abode: Crump St
Occupation: Mariner
Baptised by: J. Pulford Curate
Register: Baptisms 1821 - 1822, Page 78, Entry 623
Source: LDS Film 1656418


Baptism: 17 Apr 1825 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Henry Latham - [Child] of Henry Latham & Elizabeth
Abode: Norfolk Street
Occupation: Mariner
Baptised by: P. Bulmer Curate
Register: Baptisms 1823 - 1825, Page 589, Entry 4704
Source: LDS Film 1656418

Baptism: 28 Jun 1830 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Thomas Latham - [Child] of Henry Latham & Elizabeth
Abode: Jordan St
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: William Goddard Offg. Minister
Register: Baptisms 1830 - 1831, Page 56, Entry 447
Source: LDS Film 93878


Baptism: 24 Sep 1833 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Latham - [Child] of Henry Latham & Elizabeth
Abode: Jordan St
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Jno. Robinson Asst. Curate
Register: Baptisms 1833 - 1834, Page 144, Entry 1152
Source: LDS Film 1656421


Baptism: 7 Dec 1834 St James, Toxteth, Lancashire, England
Margaret Latham - Daughter of Henry Latham & Elizabeth
Abode: Hill Street, Toxteth Park
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: John Smith, Minister
Register: Baptisms 1827 - 1835, Page 290, Entry 2315
Source: LDS Film 1468980

[Fandorin101]

I've reached the same conclusion regarding William and Margaret being Thomas's siblings.

However I'm still trying to find out more info on their Father.

This is my "brick wall" which I have hit and cannot seem to navigate.

I must admit that I have not thought that all those mentioned would be siblings but what you have reasoned makes sense. Can you locate the death of the William in question?


I've also been searching the 1841 census with no joy except the children (Thomas, William and Margaret) possibly being in the Wigan Workhouse???

Thoroughly confused but appreciate the help thus far on here

[Bertieone]

A possible,

Name William Latham, aged 9, Wright St
Birth abt 1820
Burial, 13 Aug 1829 - Liverpool, St Peter, Lancashire

[Bertieone]

Looking at the streets at the time of the baptisms, they are all within spitting distance of each other and close to the docks.

[Fandorin101]

There's an Elizabeth Latham being born to a Henry and Ellen Latham in 1825, and the address is given as Wright St.

Baptism: 15 May 1826 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Latham - [Child] of Henry Latham & Ellen
Abode: Wright Street
Occupation: Plasterer
Baptised by: P. Bulmer Curate
Register: Baptisms 1825 - 1826, Page 191, Entry 1523
Source: LDS 1656419

I suppose that Henry and Ellen could have moved and Henry and Elizabeth went to Wright St by the time of Williams death.

Or does this seem too much of a coincidence?

[Bertieone]

To much of a coincidence I think, I wasn't keen on that death, I think Wright St is away from the area of the baptism streets. It would mean they moved away from an area and moved back again.

[Fandorin101]

Thank you Bert.

At least that's something to discount in my search

[Bertieone]

The children in the Wigan Workhouse are at least numerated together suggesting they are siblings and not in alphabetical order. To end up in there I would think at least one parent possibly died in Wigan.

The one I thought possible died in the Workhouse aged 0, Elizabeth Latham. 1837

[Fandorin101]

Thanks Bert, that discounts that particular Elizabeth being their mother.

I suppose the elder siblings could have lived in Wigan, hence the connection. If it is them, Henry must also have died by 1841 at the latest.

[MaryA]

I've reached the same conclusion regarding William and Margaret being Thomas's siblings.

However I'm still trying to find out more info on their Father.

This is my "brick wall" which I have hit and cannot seem to navigate.

Focusing solely on a birth for one person, especially when you don't know for sure where he was born, doesn't always lead anywhere, which is why we tend to look all round the family, including siblings etc. Even if they don't prove positive results, at least the negatives can often help to eliminate others.

Looking at siblings also sometimes leads to other clues, such as whether there is another family member living in the household.

[Bertieone]

Sight of the admission registers for Wigan Workhouse would be handy,

Does anyone know if they exist and are available?

[MaryA]

Sight of the admission registers for Wigan Workhouse would be handy,

Does anyone know if they exist and are available?

Out of my geographical area of knowledge I'm afraid but the the Leigh Group of our Society hosts a Help Desk at the Wigan and Leigh Archives and Local Studies at Leigh Town Hall at 1.30 pm on Mondays where they will be able to help.

If you are a member of Facebook it would be good to contact the Group and ask them direct https://www.facebook.com/groups/811399858980636/

[Bertieone]

Thanks Mary,

A port of call for Fandorin to consider.

[Hilary]

www.workhouses.org.uk lists the records available and where they are held for Wigan Workhouse. It would appear that very little has survived.

[Fandorin101]

Thank you all for your help and guidance.

I will follow up the Workhouse records.