James Ross, Chelsea Pensioner.

[louis]

Bert,

Here is the link to the Marriage Licence Bonds in the NAI:-

http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/

Louis

[Bertieone]

Louis, thank you for the link, it would appear the 1839 marriage that may help me is held elsewhere, unless I'm searching it incorrectly. However, handy link for future use.

Blue
Thanks for the informative links, The library don't do searches, so now I'll have to find a way to progress.

With your experience of Irish marriages, what information would a 1839 marriage cert likely hold?

[Blue70]

Hi Bert,

Looking on Irish Genealogy ie at the Dublin Church of Ireland marriage images they are in the old pre-1837 England & Wales format so you don't get parents' names etc some give occupations, some don't. It may not be worthwhile paying a researcher or getting a volunteer to look it up at the C of I library. Here's an example, Thomas Lisle & Ann Rice at St Werburgh CI Dublin on 1 Dec 1839:-




Blue

[Bertieone]

Thanks Blue,

[Blue70]

Link if logged in via free access to FMP at the moment 13 page document for Shandon man better scan than Ancestry:-

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?i ... hts=%22%22


Blue

[Bertieone]

Hi Blue,

Thanks for the heads up, much easier to read. I was struggling with some of it on Anc,

Cheers.

[Bertieone]

Thanks Blue and Alex,

Blue, I have seen the image before, with it being 1824, I wondered if there was a transfer involved to the 49th, as recorded on his daughters birth cert, 1849. I was hoping any pension records would have mention of the last regiment he served with.

Alex,

The marriage is also on Anc with no further details. It has crossed my mind that a transcription error may be involved. The problem is where, marriage record or birth cert I have. I might have to order another one of the children's birth certificate to confirm mother's maiden name.

As suspected, a mistake made on Jane Elizabeth's birth cert, "Buggers"

[louis]

Possible RC Baptism for the Shandon man. First name is entered in register as Jno. (John), is certainly not Jas. (James).

Baptism: Ss. Peter and Paul’s, Cork City; County of Cork; Diocese of Cork and Ross. Baptisms, Sep. 1795 to Oct. 1795.
26 Sep. Jno. of Jno. Ross & Eliza Hughes. Portny’s lane
Sprs. Charles Keeffe & Hannah Hart. T. Lane
(as transcribed)

http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls0 ... 3/mode/1up

Possible siblings – Baptisms from same church.

Margt. Ross – 23 December 1781 - (F: John Ross, M: Elith Hughes) No Residence Recorded
Jno. Ross – 5 January 1786 - (F: Jno. Ross, M: Elith Hughs) No Residence Recorded
Anna Ross – 11 May 1787 - (F: John Ross, M: Elizh Hughs) No Residence Recorded
Robt. Ross – 15 January 1789 - (F: John Ross, M: Eliza. Hughes) No Residence Recorded
John Ross – 26 June 1791 - (F: John Ross, M: Elizabeth Hughes) No Residence Recorded
Eliza Ross – 8 April 1793 – (F: Jno. Ross, M: Eliza Hughes) Portny’s Lane
Willm. Ross – 24 September 1794 – (F: Jno. Ross, M: Eliza Hughes) Portney’s Lane

http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls0 ... 3/mode/1up

Eliz. Ross – 15 June 1800 – (F: Jno. Ross, M: Eliz. Ross) Portney’s Lane

http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls0 ... 1/mode/1up

(as transcribed with sponsors omitted)

RC Baptism: St. Mary’s Cork City – November 1807
Jane of J Lyne Mary McDonald Wa… Murphy Margt. Higgins
(as transcribed)

http://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls ... 1/mode/1up

Margaret McDanald on the 1851 Census maybe worthwhile checking to see if there is any connection with Mary McDonald and Jane.

Historic Cork Maps:-

http://www.corkpastandpresent.ie/mapsim ... inoldmaps/

http://www.logainm.ie/1166682.aspx

Portny’s Lane is near Castle Street (off North Main Street).

Louis

[Bertieone]

Hi Louis,

Thank you for your time and the effort you have contributed in helping, also the very informative and very useful links. Many thanks to all others who have also helped with this enquiry.

It was disappointing to see the transcription error on the Jno baptism, 1795, however, I can't dismiss a Catholic connection, though I lean towards there not being one.

It's very likely that Margaret McDonald (1851 census) is Jane Ross, nee Lyle, sister.

[louis]

You’re welcome, Bert, happy to help. We all know how challenging Irish research can be, but it’s not impossible.

I can understand your disappointment with the 1795 Baptism. Looking through the Military Record again, my thoughts are it’s more probable than not the Baptism is for James Ross. The Priest may have incorrectly recorded as Jno. instead of Jas. or the parents could have changed his name to James after the Baptism.

It’s also possible James changed his religion to the established church after joining the British Army as it may have been more advantageous for promotion.

No progress so far on the 1839 Marriage of James Ross and Jane Lyle or (Lisle). As a point of interest searching irishgenealogy.ie from 1780 – 1852 for Lyle = 23 hits, Lyne = 2326 hits.

Do you have the burial record for James?

Louis

[Bertieone]

Hi Louis,

I haven't got a burial record for James Ross, Jane declares herself a widow in 1861, there were three possible deaths for James between 1851/61, 1854/55/56, Liverpool.

The 56 death is far too young, I couldn't find either of the other 2 burials online.

Thanks again.

[louis]

Hi Bert,

The National Archives has a series of Army Pension records in WO 22 arranged by payment district or country that may assist to find the death details of James Ross, unfortunately, these records have not been digitised.

Link to the guide:-

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help ... -research/

Record details are listed at point 6 under the heading – Searching for a soldier by pension registration district 1842 – 1883.

The Reference for Liverpool – WO 22/46, WO 22/47, WO 22/48, and the links:-

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.u ... /r/C168569
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.u ... /r/C168570
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.u ... /r/C168571


Louis

[Bertieone]

Thanks, Louis,

I never thought of finding out when his pension payments stopped and any other details they may hold. Will go through links and see which is appropriate and order,

Very grateful, thank you.

[MaryA]

Just checking Gibsons to see if there was a James, but unfortunately not. These are the Ross surnames with dates of death and ages, if you have an interest in any of them let me know and I can find the full headstone details.

ROSS A. - 10-03-1853 - 34
ROSS C J Edward - 12-05-1882 - 74
ROSS H - - - -
ROSS Henry - 27-04-1790 - 58
ROSS Jane - 26-05-1815 - 54
ROSS John - - - -
ROSS John - 28-11-1828 - 32
ROSS Margaret - 27-02-1874 - 73
ROSS May Middleton - 20-05-1855 - 53
ROSS Robert Capt. - - - -

[Bertieone]

Thanks Mary for checking,
None of the names jump out at me, they may in the future. Early days yet with this lot.

Thank you.

[retiringtype]

There's a Chelsea Royal Hospital out-pension register record (WO 23, 1850-1854) for Jas Ross of the 49th Regiment. Admitted 23 January 1839, resident in Liverpool, died 1 January 1854. Another record for him in WO 22/47 shows that he was a corporal and was aged 58 at the time of his death.

[Bertieone]

Thank you RT,

Very grateful for your help, have taken out a months subscription and now can view.

Cheers.