BRANDON(M) Coachman

[TamlynUK]

I have an ancestor William BRANDON (or BRANDOM) born about 1791 not in Lancashire, but who lived in Everton most of his life. He married Sarah ARTHER in 1810 at St Peter Liverpool and was a Coachman in 1854 and a Gentleman's Man in 1861. He had a son William Shaw BRANDON (b 1822) who was a plumber in Liverpool and I have a to of information about him - he is my great-grandfather.

I cannot find any further data about William Senior nor about his wife Sarah ARTHER. Any data or hints would be helpful

Regards

Tam

[MaryA]

Can you give us the references for the 1841, 1851 and 1861 censuses that you have found him on.

When did he die?

[MaryA]

In 1827 Gores Directory
Brandon, William gentleman, 41 Duke Street

No sign of him in the 1825 Baines.

[MaryA]

I'm confused, I believe I may have found him in 1841, occupation Coachman, but he's living in Garston Village. He doesn't appear to be with family.
HO107; Piece: 511; Book: 5; Civil Parish: Childwall; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 7; Folio: 12; Page: 17

[TamlynUK]

Hi,

Here is what I have on William BRANDON(M) about 1791 :-

1796 : Sister, Mary, baptised at St Nics, Liverpool
1810 : Married Sarah ARTHER - Surname spelt BRANDOM
1811 : Daughter, Charlotte, bapt St Peter Liverpool - Surname BRAMDOM
1813 : Daughter, Harriet, bapt St Peter Liverpool ( William's occupation - Servant of Ward St)
1813 : Daughter, Harriet died
1815 : Wittness to marriage of John SHAKSHAFT (Servant) & Margaret YEATS
1816 : Daughter, Margaret, bapt St Peter Liverpool (William's occupation - Servant of Ward St
1820 : Son, Thomas Emerson, bapt St Peter Liverpool (William's occupation - Servant of Duke St
1829 : Son, William Shaw, bapt St Peter Liverpool (William's occupation - Servant of Duke St
[He is my great-grandfather]
1838 : Wife, Sarah died
1839 : of 7 Steel St, Hosteler
1839 : In Liverpool Prison as Bankrupt
1841 : on Census as Coachman to Elizabeth MERCER
1854 : Son, William Shaw married. Groom's father Coachman
1861 : Son,s 2nd Marriage - Groom's father Gentleman

As you see I know a lot about him but have drawn a complete blank as to his and his wife ancestors

Regards

Tam

[MaryA]

I had assumed (shouldn't have) that you had him on '51 and '61 census, so no death date and no census to give his place of birth.

1791 not in Lancashire, but who lived in Everton most of his life.

At least the directory entry I found of Duke Street is correct, this would be in town itself rather than Everton, and the 1841 entry in Garston is the south end of Liverpool.

[Blue70]

Sarah's burial:-

Name: Sarah Brandon
Abode: Seel Street
Birth Year: abt 1786
Age: 52
Burial Date: 25 Apr 1838
Parish: Liverpool, Holy Trinity


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[Blue70]

There's a brother William baptised in Liverpool in 1790 of the sister you have listed as Mary baptised in 1796 but this William is recorded as William Brandreth:-

Baptism: 6 Jun 1790 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Brandreth - Son of William Brandreth & Mary
Born: 6 May 1790
Abode: Darwin street
Occupation: Sawyer
Register: Baptisms 1790, Page 221, Entry 511
Source: LDS Film 93833


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[Blue70]

Perhaps that sister is not a sister? I think Ancestry have transcribed Brandreth as Brandon.

Also on Lancs OPC:-

Baptism: 21 Feb 1792 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Brandreth - Son of William Brandreth & Mary
Born: 19 Jan 1792
Abode: Darwin street
Occupation: Sawyer
Register: Baptisms 1792, Page 253, Entry 168
Source: LDS Film 93833

Baptism: 18 Aug 1795 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Thomas Brandreth - Son of William Brandreth & Mary (formerly Jones), his Wife
Born: 9 Oct 1794
Abode: Darwins Wient
Occupation: Sawyer
Seniority: 3
Parents Married: St. Paul's
Register: Baptisms 1794 - 1795, Page 339, Entry 714
Source: LDS Film 93833

Baptism: 25 Dec 1796 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Mary Brandreth - daur. of William Brandreth & Mary (formerly Jones), his wife
Born: 15 Nov 1796
Abode: Darwin street
Occupation: Sawyer
Seniority: 4
Where Married: St. Paul's
Register: Baptisms 1795 - 1797, Page 20, Entry 876
Source: LDS Film 93833


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[Blue70]

Possible burial:-

Name: William Brandon
Abode: Bootle
Born: c1784
Death Age: 62
Burial Date: 26 May 1846
Burial Parish: St Mary, Walton


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[Blue70]

Here's one possible candidate to note down for future scrutiny:-

Name: William Brandon
Baptised: 1 Jul 1781
Church: St Peter, Marchington, Staffordshire
Father: John Brandon
Mother: Hannah

Mother's surname is Robotham. There are trees for this family on Ancestry but no marriage or death information so it's possible he left the county.


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[TamlynUK]

Thanks for all the data. It gives me something to research. However the Census of 1841 says he was born outside Lancashire. There are a lot of "William BRANDON & BRANDOM's not born in Lancashire

[TamlynUK]

To further my previous sending :-

I have now looked at the original of William's baptismal record and the surname is clearly BRANDRETH. It seems unlikely that this was an error for BRANDON, so I am still hunting for the birth of William around 1790 (outside Lancashire) and of Sarah ARTHER inside Lancashire

Regards

Tam

[Blue70]

To further my previous sending :-

I have now looked at the original of William's baptismal record and the surname is clearly BRANDRETH. It seems unlikely that this was an error for BRANDON, so I am still hunting for the birth of William around 1790 (outside Lancashire) and of Sarah ARTHER inside Lancashire

Regards

Tam

Yes I pointed out that the sister in your list Mary born 1796 was called Brandreth not Brandon. Her brother William and other siblings were all called Brandreth so the Mary in your list is wrong she was a Brandreth not a Brandon.


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[TamlynUK]

Agreed - my notes have been corrected

Tam