John Airey b. abt 1838

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John Airey b. abt 1838

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I cannot find the birth or baptism of John Airey. The 1881 & 1891 Censuses have him born in Liverpool, 1837/38. He married Margaret Ann Canning b. abt 1840 on the 7 Apr 1857 St Paul's, Belfast. His father is stated to be Henry Airey. In the '81 & '91 censuses, John’s occupation is stated to be Ships Steward.

The couple had six children, all born in Belfast. Thanks to the NI GRO I know that my grandmother’s birth was not registered in NI, as they searched twice and only found all her siblings. However, she was baptised, Catherine Airey, 18 Jan 1866, St Patrick's Church, Belfast.

Catherine Airey, using the name Kate, married Alfred Milward b. 1870 Great Marlow, Bucks. on 28 Jun 1893 Holy Trinity, Walton Breck. (Alf played for Everton & England.)

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Re: John Airey b. abt 1838

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In the 1841 census in Toxteth Park is 3 year old John Airey in the same household as Susana Airey aged 30 both born in this county.
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Burial

14 Jun 1842 Susana Airey, female, married, 35 yrs old died 12 Jun 1842 of Harper Street Liverpool. Cemetery: Wesley Chapel, Upper Stanhope Street.

Husband Henry Airey.
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Well done on finding that census entry Barbara, I had difficulty and still am. Could you please post the reference for it.

Mistranscribed Aery on Ancestry, the reference is Archive reference HO107 Piece number 567 Book number 2 Folio number 38 Page number 8

If Susana's burial was in the Wesleyan Chapel, young John may have been baptised there also, I wonder if our poster has checked any non conformist registers?

What is Henry's occupation on John's marriage certificate? is it anything to do with the seas to explain why he isn't at home at census time? Who were the witnesses to the marriage?
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I found it on good old FMP Mary.

I have a remarriage for Henry to Ann Lunt a year after Susana dies but in the 1851 census they have a son John aged 7...so don't know what to think......Henry is a mariner and says born in Wales in 1851 and born in Prussia in 1861!!

Being a mariner would explain his absences at sea.

What about this?
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25 July 1843 St Philips Church

Groom: Henry Airey, Mariner

Full Age, Widower

Father's name: Henry Airey, Master Mariner

Marriage Date: 25 Jul 1843 Liverpool, St Philip

Spouse's Name: Ann Lunt

Spinster

Spouse Father's Name: Timothy Lawson Publican (dead)
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The burial record actually says Susan not Susana. Apologies. :oops:
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Robert Lunt married Anne Lawson on 4th August 1834 at St Peters. He is a labourer, she a spinster, both of this parish. Both signed their names and the witnesses were Richard Dickinson and Margaret Bird who made her mark.
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Ah so Ann *was* married before as I thought which would explain her father's name being different.

What do you all think about the 7 year old John living with Henry and Ann in 1851?
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The address in 1841 was Ashton Street later renamed Ashwell Street. Across the road from St James CE Toxteth. No luck with St James, or with St Peter's which they mostly used or nearby Wesleyan Chapel Upper Stanhope Street whose records are here:-

http://www.toxtethparkcemetery.co.uk/We ... hapel.html


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MaryA wrote:Well done on finding that census entry Barbara, I had difficulty and still am. Could you please post the reference for it.

Mistranscribed Aery on Ancestry, the reference is Archive reference HO107 Piece number 567 Book number 2 Folio number 38 Page number 8

If Susana's burial was in the Wesleyan Chapel, young John may have been baptised there also, I wonder if our poster has checked any non conformist registers?

What is Henry's occupation on John's marriage certificate? is it anything to do with the seas to explain why he isn't at home at census time? Who were the witnesses to the marriage?
Are any online for Liverpool Mary or would that be a case of trawling through the church microfilms at LRO?
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No luck here either:-

England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970

http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=2972


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And nothing in the Liverpool Catholics and Quakers. Actually Quakers seem to have quite a few Aireys from Westmorland.
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And just because he says he is born in Liverpool doesn't have to mean actual Liverpool, lots of people fudge their birthplace a little bit...........
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BarbaraW wrote: Are any online for Liverpool Mary or would that be a case of trawling through the church microfilms at LRO?
I'd had a little look on a few sites and hadn't found it. I could check if they hold the Registers at the LRO but depends how many entries there are for a few years whether I have time to check for his baptism.

I had noticed that the surname appears to have been prevalent in Westmorland, people often moved for work, a child may well have been born there and moved so young to Liverpool that they don't remember anywhere else.

Just as a point to eliminate them, these are the Airey burials noted in Gibsons Epitaphs.

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AIREY Oswald - 21-11-1844 - 47 VIII 519 Nec
In memory of Oswald AIREY who died November 21st 1844 aged 47 years

St James Cemetery
AIREY G T - 20-04-1857 - 57 VII 115 JAM
AIREY John - 23-02-1847 - 78 VII 115 JAM
AIREY Sarah - 25-04-1859 - 88 VII 115 JAM
Sacred to the memory of John AIREY Esq. Master Royal Navy, who
departed this life on then 23rd of February 1847 age 78 years. Also
Lieutenant G.T. AIREY son of the above died in Singapore April 20th
1857 aged 57 years. Also Sarah AIREY relict of John AIREY Esq. who
died April 25th 1859 aged 88 years.

I think we can assume that there was no headstone for Susan(a) as the epitaphs appear to have begun at the Stanhope Street Wesleyan Chapel in about 1838, so hers would have been included if there had been one.
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Thank you so much for all your efforts. I am amazed at what you have unearthed and it is very much appreciated. It will take me a little while to absorb it all.

I was aware of all the Aireys in Westmorland but could not find a link, thanks for your suggestion, Mary.

Thank you all again.

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I forgot to add that John's father, Henry, is stated to be a labourer at the time of John's marriage, so not at sea.

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In those days men could be dock labourers for a time then go away to sea another time there was a more fluid or casual approach to manual work.


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BarbaraW wrote:
MaryA wrote: If Susana's burial was in the Wesleyan Chapel, young John may have been baptised there also, I wonder if our poster has checked any non conformist registers?
It is listed under Stanhope Street Wesleyan Chapel - Baptisms Ref 287 LMM/4 - and they are held in the Archives. Unfortunately I couldn't find an entry for John Airey.
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