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The man who died was a lot older than Margaret and left over 4 and a half thousand pounds in his will. I wish his will had been proven in West Kirby where he died and then I could have got a copy from Cheshire wills on FMP.

I know wills cost £10 as I've bought a few in the past, I'll put this on my bucket list if I can link him to my family.
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As it was proved in Liverpool you could get a copy from Lancashire RO in Preston.
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He died at 4 Deva Terrace, West Kirby.

As a widower James Joseph Byrne married Grace O'Donnell, Liverpool 1854, 8b 450

66 Whitechapel,

Fathers, Lawrence Byrne, Daniel O'Donnell (probably sang at the reception)
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Free to marry Margaret later in the year.

Grace Byrne, Salisbury Street, Liverpool
Birth Year:
abt 1835
Age:
48
Death
abt 1883
Burial
12 Jan 1883
Parish:
Ford Cemetery, Lancashire, England
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Maybe he was lining up wife number 4 in West Kirby when he had a heart attack with the stress of it all lol. :shock:

I hope Daniel O'Donnell kept in tune. :o
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Scandal, Read all about it :shock:

Liverpool Mercury, December 18, 1862.

"The Murder in Derby Street"
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MaryA wrote:As it was proved in Liverpool you could get a copy from Lancashire RO in Preston.
I'm not getting any hits Mary and I've tried all kinds of searches.
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The policeman John Young was a member of my husbands family. He was the brother of my husbands maternal grandmother. Just a little bit on info.
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shirley wrote:The policeman John Young was a member of my husbands family. He was the brother of my husbands maternal grandmother. Just a little bit on info.
Wow Shirley. What a sad and sorry tale it was from start to finish. There are at least 20 newspaper reports on this if you haven't seen them.
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Thanks barbaraW, yes I have followed it up right through to his very grand funeral and have been over to Flaybrick cemetery to see his grave. Even though he was in Liverpool police, he lived in Birkenhead.
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Yes I saw in the newspaper reports he lived in Birkenhead with his mother I believe it was.

I will look at the funeral reports tonight.
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BarbaraW wrote: I'm not getting any hits Mary and I've tried all kinds of searches.
They have originals prior to 1858 but after that they have copies in a book, don't be fobbed off by an unknowing librarian saying they only have the early ones, you don't mind a copy.

Easier to visit if you are able.
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MaryA wrote:
BarbaraW wrote: I'm not getting any hits Mary and I've tried all kinds of searches.
They have originals prior to 1858 but after that they have copies in a book, don't be fobbed off by an unknowing librarian saying they only have the early ones, you don't mind a copy.

Easier to visit if you are able.
Thanks Mary, I just checked and the train fare is £13.00 :?

I'd love to know if James left all his money to Margaret or one of the 4 children I found from his second marriage.........

I just can't get anywhere else with this Michael Quinn but am leaving him in his little unattached tree because one day, you never know, he may be ready to be hooked up with some family of mine.
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shirley wrote:Thanks barbaraW, yes I have followed it up right through to his very grand funeral and have been over to Flaybrick cemetery to see his grave. Even though he was in Liverpool police, he lived in Birkenhead.
Indeed Shirley that was some send off he had, for those who have been following this thread:



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Quite a procession and included the difficulties of transport across the river too.
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Barbara
Thanks for putting the report in. I can never post anything, I know that there is a link on how to do it. I will have another go at it soon
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It's taken me a while to learn Shirley because I was using the free Photobucket and it was soooooo sloooooow it drove me nuts, plus all these ads and video's popping up all over the show. So on Sunday night I paid the annual fee, it was about £7 and well worth it!!!
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Hi Barbara. I got a will from Lancs Record Office. I phoned them and they were so helpful. I don't think it cost anywhere like £10 and they photocopied 3 pages , including my Great, Great Grandmothers signature :D Made me cry. It was so shaky and wobbly and I was surprised she could write in 1853, as she was an innkeeper and wheelwright's widow.

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Thanks for that Lynne I'll follow it up.

I was reading some wills online yesterday over at the Cheshire wills on FMP and it's surprising how emotional you can feel as they're so much more personal than marriage and birth certificates.

One of them left all his clothes to his father :shock: his clothes!!!
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BarbaraW wrote: One of them left all his clothes to his father :shock: his clothes!!!
There is sometimes an inventory with the older Wills, so interesting, and yes I've heard of people leaving their "second best" suit to a male relative and also their "best bed" to their wife. :lol:
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