RC burial

[BarbaraW]

I am following up the death of a man who died in a bizarre accident as my cousin has come up with a strange family story and as this is the only one who fits (so far) and that I can find, I'm doing a little bit of background research, I know his date of death from the newspaper reports and the fact the service was held by Fr. Duggan but can somebody please tell me what the name at the bottom means? Oswaldus Smith.

[Bertieone]

The date, Dom(Deo Optimo Maximo)

and this chap? http://www.plantata.org.uk/obits/matthews/smith_o.htm

[Bertieone]

I wonder if Oswald Smith performed a service after the initial burial?

[BarbaraW]

The date, Dom(Deo Optimo Maximo)

and this chap? http://www.plantata.org.uk/obits/matthews/smith_o.htm

Ah so he had 2 priests at his funeral then?

Maybe because it was such a strange accidental death, my cousin said our nan had told her that an uncle or cousin (she couldn't quite remember as it was told so long ago) had had an accident, been run over by a vehicle then when he was being taken to hospital in a horse drawn ambulance there was another accident and he died.

[Bertieone]

One priest at a later date, previous post.

[BarbaraW]

There are also more than a few long inquest reports with the horse being blamed in some because it only had one eye!!

I have spent hours this afternoon on this and all I've gleaned is that Michael was a chemist's assistant or clerk and lived with his sister Mrs Margaret Byrne in Grove Street. So I've put both of them on my tree but unattached well only to each other, until such time as I find out where they fit in.

It may not even be him but it's more than likely from what my cousin was told and as you all know I have recently embraced my Irish Catholic side lol.

[BarbaraW]

The only likely lad I have found in Liverpool is Michael Quinn, single, general labourer, living with his sister Margaret Johnstone in 1891. She's a widow but I can't find a marriage to a Mr Byrne.

Of course they may not even have lived in Liverpool........

[Bertieone]

???

James Joseph Byrne married Margaret Mary J Quinn, Liverpool, 1883,

Catholic Marriage on Anc

It gives the Byrne/Quinn connection, a possible.

[BarbaraW]

???

James Joseph Byrne married Margaret Mary J Quinn, Liverpool, 1883,

Catholic Marriage on Anc

It gives the Byrne/Quinn connection, a possible.

Good one Bertie!! So I'll disregard Mrs Johnstone then!!

[Bertieone]

Barbara,
What census have you found Michael and his sister on. Grove St?

[BarbaraW]

Although the inquest reports were long they revealed no other family information than what I posted. Michael Quinn 45 years old in 1899 lived in Grove Street and his sister was Mrs Margaret Byrne who he lived with and who identified the body, he was a chemist's assistant in some reports and a clerk in others, the accident happened in Everton. The employers name is on the funeral report but I don't have any trade directories to see if this was a chemist shop or not.

This is all I know.

[BarbaraW]

Barbara,
What census have you found Michael and his sister on. Grove St?

I can't remember what street it was (not Grove Street though) but it was the only Michael with a sister Margaret he was living with. Of course he could have been married and widowed between 1891 and 1899........

[Bertieone]

1901,
45 Grove Street, Liverpool


Name:
Margaret Byrne, Ireland, Dressmaker, Widow.
Age
42 birth
1859
Relation to Head:
Occupier (Occupant)

RG13 P3417 F104 Page24

1891
Name:
Margaret Byrne, Ireland, Dressmaker, Widow.
Age:
34
Estimated birth year
abt 1857

RG12 P2914 F60 Page52

[Bertieone]

If the marriage previously posted is correct, James Joseph Byrne died 1884 and is buried at Ford Cemetery.

Salisbury Street

[Bertieone]

Possible,

1881,
RG11 P3633 F81 Page20

125 Islington Row, Liverpool

Margaret Quinn 27, Unmarried, Ireland, Dressmaker
Mary Quinn 58 Mother, Ireland
Maria Quinn 39 Sister, Ireland
Michael Quinn 34, Ireland, Match or Watchmaker?

[BarbaraW]

Thank you so much Bertie, you really are a super sleuth!!

I don't see a connection as yet but will add all these details to the little tree and see what turns up along the way. Of course he may have only been an "uncle" in the sense that people sometimes called older family friends auntie and uncle......but in this game you never know what's around the corner which of course is all part of the thrill of the ride!!

Thank you once again.

[Bertieone]

Forgot to mention, the only marriages that took place between 1860/1890, England & Wales

Margaret Quinn/Byrne, not old enough for 1866


Marriages Jun 1866
Quinn Margaret Liverpool 8b 473


Marriages Dec 1883
Quinn Margaret Mary J West Derby 8b 940
James Joseph Byrne

[MaryA]

We obviously have a couple of insomniacs on our boards

[BarbaraW]

We obviously have a couple of insomniacs on our boards

The early hours of the morning is my favourite time of the day.

[BarbaraW]

Possible,

1881,
RG11 P3633 F81 Page20

125 Islington Row, Liverpool

Margaret Quinn 27, Unmarried, Ireland, Dressmaker
Mary Quinn 58 Mother, Ireland
Maria Quinn 39 Sister, Ireland
Michael Quinn 34, Ireland, Match or Watchmaker?

This one has servants so I'm not so sure about it, though I can see Islington is quite near to Moss Street and have looked up both addresses in the 1881 census off the marriage cert and of course they are not at those addresses.

I see that Margaret was only married for just over a year before her husband died.