Walton Parochial Cemetery

[Wendyem]

Can some-one please tell me where this Cemetery would have been - 1857 burial.
I've seen Walton on the Hill & Walton-Le-Dale. Have no idea which is where. the latter seems to be up there a bit toward Manchester.
Walton on the Hill is repeated it seems in Surrey, more confusion for a lass with most Family in Surrey.

I do hope I can get back in tomorrow, whatever the date is.

TIA Wendy

[MaryA]

Walton Parochial Cemetery is also known as Rice Lane Cemetery, if you put this address into maps.google.co.uk it will show you where it is. Nowadays part of it is taken over by a City Farm whose volunteers also try their best to help find graves for researchers. It is on Hornby Road, opposite Walton Prison and was the main cemetery used for those who died in 107 Rice Lane - what became Walton hospital but was also the Workhouse.
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Hornby ... 73,,0,5.04
Also contact details if you want help to find a grave http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.ph ... msg4637812 and there is a Facebook page with photographs - or maybe not, having just done a search for it, sorry misleading information as I think the page must have been removed.

[Wendyem]

Thank you Mary, have new password -again- was able to have a lookee & also a trip back to Old Mersytimes pages which I love.

Wendy

[MaryA]

It's a great site isn't it?

[BarbaraW]

I've just been looking at burial records on Ancestry for Walton Cemetery in 1934. On the pages I've browsed most seem to give the abode address as:

107 Rice Lane, Walton which is or was Walton Hospital/Workhouse,

Alder Hey Hospital,

The Royal Children's Hospital,

126 Smithdown Road which I know is Sefton General/Toxteth Workhouse,

City Hospital Fazakerley,

Olive Mount Hospital,

147a Mill Road (Mill Road hospital)

all institutions with the odd home street address thrown in.

Why was this cemetery the burial ground for people from all over Liverpool far and wide?

[MaryA]

Because it was the first Council owned cemetery. Sparse answer, but that is it in a nutshell, there was a need for a burial ground instead of using other areas, including church graveyards that were rapidly filling up.

By the way it's not much point in trying to contact the man who had his details on Rootschat as he is no longer with the Cemetery/Farm.

[Blue70]

This cemetery is also known as Liverpool Parochial Cemetery. It was never intended for it to serve as a district cemetery despite it also being known as Walton Park. It served the whole Liverpool area and was a parish cemetery like St Mary's Cambridge Street.


Blue

[MaryA]

One of our members has written a very good article for the Journal about this Cemetery, not so long ago, although I can't remember exactly which issue, but if you looked in the back issues (available in the Member's area of the website) you should come across it.

[BarbaraW]

Thanks for the info, I've done some really good googling and found lots of interest. I will hunt out the article MaryA thanks for that.

Unexpectedly thanks to an Anc shaky leaf today I found another of mine buried there in 1888, she was only 4 years old and from Hop Street in the court dwellings. It says 6/- where would the parents have found that kind of money from?

[MaryA]

With a great deal of difficulty I'm sure, however this cemetery has far more general graves than bought family graves and one of those would have cost far more, which is why we find our ancestors graves under various different references rather than all in one plot.

[BarbaraW]

I noticed the same reference to a lot of graves on the same page, so no doubt I've found my first paupers grave.

The first of many no doubt, what a hard life so many had........

I did read somewhere online this morning that hospitals and workhouses bought mass graves ready to be filled with the dead.

[Blue70]

I noticed the same reference to a lot of graves on the same page, so no doubt I've found my first paupers grave.

The first of many no doubt, what a hard life so many had........

I did read somewhere online this morning that hospitals and workhouses bought mass graves ready to be filled with the dead.

How much was 6s back then? It wasn't that much so maybe the family paid for the single interment? Were the family in the Workhouse? I've been trying to find wages for around that time but nothing immediately stands out as typical of our area's workforce. There's an interesting link here about agricultural wages from 1850 to 1914, going by that 6s was affordable for working people:-

http://historyofwages.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... .html#more


Blue

[steveflan]

6 shillings in 1888 is equivalent to about £30 today

[barley28]

In 1882 a docker earned 4/6 a day (if he got the work, that is). For those who aren't familiar with the old lsd terms, that's four and a half shillings

[Blue70]

Thanks so depending on the occupation one day or two day's pay would cover the cost of single interment.


Blue

[steveflan]

There was an item on BBC News this morning about a rise in the number of internments/cremations where the deceased has no family or funds. They were saying that the average funeral nowadays is anywhere between £3000 and £7000 - a bit more than a day or two wages for the vast majority!!

[BarbaraW]

I noticed the same reference to a lot of graves on the same page, so no doubt I've found my first paupers grave.

The first of many no doubt, what a hard life so many had........

I did read somewhere online this morning that hospitals and workhouses bought mass graves ready to be filled with the dead.

How much was 6s back then? It wasn't that much so maybe the family paid for the single interment? Were the family in the Workhouse? I've been trying to find wages for around that time but nothing immediately stands out as typical of our area's workforce. There's an interesting link here about agricultural wages from 1850 to 1914, going by that 6s was affordable for working people:-

http://historyofwages.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... .html#more


Blue

Not in the workhouse but living in court dwellings and working as a carter which I suppose was finding work where and when you could.

[MaryA]

I noticed the same reference to a lot of graves on the same page, so no doubt I've found my first paupers grave.

If a payment has been made it can't have been "pauper", better term is "general grave" rather than private.

[BarbaraW]

There was an item on BBC News this morning about a rise in the number of internments/cremations where the deceased has no family or funds. They were saying that the average funeral nowadays is anywhere between £3000 and £7000 - a bit more than a day or two wages for the vast majority!!

I know an old man who lives here, picture somebody with a broad Lancashire accent saying this.

"Well I don't care for all this funeral insurance rubbish, they've not left one on top yet"